Pokemon XY Discussion, Research, Suggestion & Preparation

I think I'll just make a list of what Pokemon can and can't be used in Sky Battles. I'll put parenthesis around stuff that can't in-game, but that we could possibly allow in URPG. I'll also put brackets around things I'm unsure of.

Spoiler

Charizard
MegaCharizard X
MegaCharizard Y
Butterfree
(Beedrill)
(Pidgey)
Pidgeotto
Pidgeot
(Spearow)
Fearow
Zubat
Golbat
(Venomoth)
(Magnemite)
(Magneton)
[Farfetch'd]
Gastly
Haunter
Gengar
[MegaGengar]
Koffing
Weezing
Scyther
Gyarados (believe it or not it's allowed in-game) =P
MegaGyarados
(Porygon)
Aerodactyl
MegaAerodactyl
Articuno
Zapdos
Moltres
(Dragonair)
Dragonite
(Mewtwo)
(MegaMewtwo X)
(MegaMewtwo Y)
(Mew)
(Hoothoot)
Noctowl
Ledyba
Ledian
Crobat
Togetic
Xatu
Hoppip
Skiploom
Jumpluff
Yanma
(Murkrow)
(Misdreavus)
Unown (all forms)
Gligar
(Scizor)
(Heracross)
(Delibird)
Mantine (another surprising one that's allowed in-game)
Skarmory
(Porygon2)
Lugia
Ho-Oh
Celebi
Beautifly
(Dustox)
(Taillow)
Swellow
Wingull
Pelipper
Masquerain
Ninjask
(Shedinja)
(Volbeat)
(Illumise)
Vibrava
Flygon
Swablu
Altaria
Lunatone
Solrock
Baltoy
Claydol
(Castform-all forms)
(Shuppet)
(Banette)
(MegaBanette)
Duskull
(Dusclops)
Tropius
Chimecho
(Glalie)
Salamence
(Beldum)
(Metang)
(Metagross)
Latias
Latios
Rayquaza
(Jirachi)
(Deoxys-all forms)
(Starly)
Staravia
Staraptor
(Kricketune)
Mothim
Combee
Vespiquen
Drifloon
Drifblim
(Mismagius)
Honchkrow
Chingling
Bronzor
Bronzong
Chatot
(Garchomp)
Carnivine
Mantyke
(Magnezone)
Togekiss
Yanmega
Gliscor
(Porygon-Z)
(Probopass)
(Dusknoir)
(Froslass)
Rotom (all forms)
Uxie
Mesprit
Azelf
(Dialga)
(Palkia)
(Giratina Altered Form)
Giratina Origin Form
Cresselia
(Darkrai)
Shaymin Sky Form
Arceus (all forms)
(Victini)
(Munna)
(Musharna)
(Pidove)
Tranquill
Unfezant
Woobat
Swoobat
(Cottonee)
(Whimsicott)
Sigilyph
(Yamask)
Archeops
(Solosis)
(Duosion)
(Reuniclus)
Ducklett
Swanna
(Vanillite)
(Vanillish)
(Vanilluxe)
Emolga
(Escavalier)
(Frillish)
(Jellicent)
(Klink)
(Klang)
(Klinklang)
Tynamo
Eelektrik
Eelektross
[Elgyem]
[Beheeyem]
(Litwick)
(Lampent)
(Chandelure)
Cryogonal
(Golurk)
Rufflet
Braviary
Mandibuzz
Hydreigon
(Volcarona)
Tornadus (both forms)
Thundurus (both forms)
(Reshiram)
(Zekrom)
Landorus (both forms)
(White Kyurem)
(Black Kyurem)
(Meloetta Aria Form)
(Meloetta Pirouette Form)
(Genesect)
(Fletchling)
Fletchinder
Talonflame
Vivillon (all forms)
(Flabebe all forms)
(Floette all forms)
(Florges all forms)
(Honedge)
(Doublade)
(Aegislash)
(Spritzee)
(Aromatisse)
(Swirlix)
(Slurpuff)
(Inkay)
[Hawlucha]
(Carbink)
(Klefki)
(Phantump)
(Pumpkaboo all sizes)
(Gourgeist all sizes)
Noibat
Noivern
(Xerneas)
Yveltal

 

Actually, Bulbapedia claims that gengar isn't allowed in Sky Battles, mega or not (but gastly and haunter are). I can't test for myself to confirm, but since they specifically called it out, I assumed there was valid evidence. Will cross-check with other sites.

Sky Battle - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia

 

I am now totally confused by what can and can't be in a Sky Battle. I thought it was Flying types and Levitators, but apparently, as Bulbapedia specified, some Flying types and Levitators aren't good enough.

I appreciate the thought, but I seriously doubt we'll add a whole bunch more Pokemon to the list of ones that can be in a Sky Battle. We'll just follow what the game allows. Besides, I doubt it's going to be a very commonly used thing, just an optional clause for a bit of fun.

 

I read somewhere that it's based on the model--so if the pokemon is flying in its current X and Y sprite, it can sky battle. Gengar and the other exceptions are standing, I guess, so it's not okay? (And yet beedrill is still a no-go?)




IDK if it's very useful, but source I found when looking up the gengar issue (http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/60943/t1911909-sky-battle-issues/2.htm)

 

Gyms should be allowed to run Inverse. The ones with a ton of weaknesses, and usually considered the worst, like rock and bug, get better. It makes the gyms a lot more balanced and can't even be abused by the better gym types like water and flying. Fire gyms getting wrecked by chlorophyll solar beam spamming grass types is p cool too.

 

If a Fire Gym was dumb enough to let that happen...

Can't say you've really made a good argument. It doesn't really make a huge difference - it just means you have to invert your strategy and pick from other weaknesses. The second a Rock Gym runs Inverse rules I'd send in my now 4x resistant Charizard against all the Rock Pokemon that are now weak to both it's STAB types.

Probably leaning towards no on that one for now, until we have some idea of if it's competitively viable on WiFi or PS.

and I don't really want to code that into the calc

 

I didn't think there was a need to argue the point when every other battle style is useable in Gyms. And it actually does make a difference. Trading four or five weaknesses for one or two as well as gaining resistances definitely helps to defend.

Also, Charizard still sucks. It would still get beaten by Cradily's absorb.

 

Just a comment about Sky Battles. Farfetch'd can't participate in them.

 

how farfetch'd

 

I do not support the use of Inverse Battles in Gyms. The whole point of a Gym is to test a Trainer out against a certain type - it's kind of like a final boss. If, in-game, the Trainer spends their time learning that Water and Grass beat Rock and not to use Flying-type moves, and all of a sudden their Lucario gets one-shotted by a Gym Leader using an Inverse Battle, what kind of lesson does that teach?

I like the idea of Inverse Battles being optional clauses for really high-tier battles, like E4, Legend Defender, etc but Gyms are supposed to be kind of the entry point into the upper echelons. If you can beat the Gyms, you belong in the struggle for the top spot kind of thing. I heavily support Gyms being made difficult, but I think that Inverse Gym Battles is too difficult slash setting the wrong example by going off in the opposite direction.

 

The Ultra Dex is now updated with Gen VI information. (Future) changes will be reflected in changelog. The learnsets are all pretty much accurate with the help of posts from C&C Leaders on Smogon, and compiled information from Bulbapedia and Serebii collectively. Note that the Egg Moves/Breeding Moves are largely incomplete, and those that have (tbc) beside them should not be allowed to be used in the URPG as of yet, as they lack picture proof still.

Abilities have yet to be updated with new Gen VI changes. New Gen VI abilities are not included yet. Method of obtaining subjected to change according to URPG staff.

*Gen VI Notes/Things To Do Still

• Still need to update older generation Pokemon with updated learnsets
• Gen VI Pokemon sprites still incomplete
• Hopefully would be able to replace Gen VI party icons with higher quality sources
• Still have yet to implement Mega-Evolutions and their data
• Need to update ability descriptions for Gen VI changes
• Need descriptions for new Gen VI abilities still
• To complete renaming of titles to the aforementioned for all Pokemon
• Entries for Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde are not done yet

If you spot anything that is incorrect, make sure to post in urpgdex.6te.net (do report any errors here).

 

Working on these. Will send images and link to Google docs spreadsheet of new stuffs.

 

You definitely make some valid points. Inverse would merely be an option for Gyms and it'd help change things up and create a greater sense of balance. If you guys don't think it's a good idea, that's fair enough. It just seems p cool imo

 

You definitely make some valid points. Inverse would merely be an option for Gyms and it'd help change things up and create a greater sense balance. If you guys don't think it's a good idea, that's fair enough. It just seems p cool imo

 

I'm not sure if this has been talked about yet (running around so haven't looked through the entirety of this thread yet), but I watched a quick vid about Imposter:

When Imposter Ditto copies Aegislash, it stays in Shield Form even when it attacks. This may be because when Imposter activated, Aegislash was in Shield Form. It might stay in whatever form it activates on. Around 6:30

Pokemon X and Y Wifi Battle: Joey & shofu vs. Sin & StylesX2 - YouTube

I've also heard in several wi-fi matches I've watched that a Mega's stat changes aren't applied on the turn it Mega evolves, but I could be mistaken about that.

 

Also scarf ditto wrecks already evolved megas!!

 

Ya Winter that makes sense though. Ditto in gen v copied the forme a Pokemon was in, but it doesn't copy the Pokemon's species. Stance Change is an ability that only affects Aegislash and since Ditto is still a Ditto even when it looks like an Aegislash, it is unaffected by Stance Change

 

For Sylveon's URPG evolution method...could we just jump into our computers or phones and pet the Eevee to death use a Sweet Heart or a Pokepuff as the evolution item? Maybe a Dark Gem/Blackglasses could serve the same purpose for Pancham and a Damp Rock/Mystic Water for Sliggoo?

EDIT: make them cheap too :<

 

Several other odd evolution conditions are just counted as normal (ie. Yanmega, etc). So they could be viewed as normal.

 

But isn't that because yanmega evolves with Ancient Power in its moveset, and yanma already knows Ancient Power under URPG rules?

I mean we could all just do the inkay evolutions based on trust and pretend that we've all actually turned our computers upside-down 'cause guys I can totally lift my desktop 1995 computer and turn it upside-down without messing up something vital