Tournament Ideas

This sounds really cool. Any idea how it would work out?

Not really a fan of legends BF. There isn't really any balance which kind of defeats the purpose and each battle would last for years. There was a Legend sub FFA in an FFA tourney a while back that ended up taken way too long because subs couldn't even be broken due to the sheer bulk of even the frailer legends.

 

Like normal Battle Factory, the first step would be making a tier list. And honestly, the majority of legends are more offensive than defensive.

I'm not saying it's the absolute-best-must-happen idea, just addressing the specific points you brought up.

 

The draft works based off the tier list (which ours needs to be updated slightly since last Battle Factory. See here: link).

In the one I saw, everyone is in the same draft pool. Once a mon is drafted, it cannot be drafted again by anyone. For our purposes, ideally we would have two groups who are in the same draw to boost the occurence of mons, but I don't know if we have activity/interest to support that. One pool might also work.

Turn order of participants is randomly rolled, like 1-16. Draft order picking then goes from #1 to #16 then #16 to #1 in a snake chain back and forth until all the team slots are filled. Once a mon is chosen, it's gone from the list and cannot be picked by anyone else. That means you'll only see one Greninja, one Dragonite, etc. Paying attention to other peoples' picks and what remains in the pool becomes part of the strategy. It also helps to have something of a game plan going into it.

Each team has some limited overall size (I think in the league I saw it was 10 or 12), but they are also limited by how many of each tier they can pick (2 tier 1, 2 tier 2, 1 tier 3, 1 tier 4, etc). Ours can be variable. The one I saw also had each mon worth a point value based on tier and they only had so many points to spend, but this might be messy and complicated to set up. I don't see a reason why we can't just have it a certain number of X tier per team.

After that, a match-up schedule is chosen, likely by roll since we're not doing any sort of division/local area thing. And then plays out like any regular tournament.

There were some extra rules to the GBA League I saw on YouTube, like having Megas and that mon separate (and sometimes separate tiers), but that could also be messy and I'm not sure if it's necessary since our format is different. They also have that if a Mega stays in, it must mega on the first turn. No waiting unless you swap out immediately. They also keep track of final scores in case of needing the differentials (like a 2-0 victory).

I really like the idea of a draft format, but we'd need enough people to support it (we might not need 16 though; that's just what the example I saw had). It might also appeal to those who play Magic/LoL/Dota2 because those things often have drafts as well.

 

Last tourney ended which means...

BATTLE FACTORY?!?

 

I think we still need to iron out some details for the draft (unless Winter's suggestion is a-ok as a final draft). From there, we just need someone to run it. Someone who isn't me because I start uni on Tuesday and until then I'm snowed in.

Not sure how long we're willing to wait, but I could probably take up hosting it after I get settled into my new schedule for this semester, but idk when that will be.

Gonna be annoying and tag a few people who may be able to host @Ash K.; @Monbrey; @Neonsands; @Ace Trainer Liam; @Soulmaster; @Sou; @Seppe; @Siless; @WinterVines; @Elysia;

... @We Taste Pies...; ?!?!?!?!!???????!!??!

 

If we do the draft, I'll host it since I pitched it. I would also be open to run Battle Factory.

If we do Draft, we should probably decide if it's more like a round robin per round (each person fights multiple people), single elimination, or double elimination. Also if we want two draft pools or not.

 

I'd love to host another tourny, but maybe not right now since I'm pretty busy; don't want too much on my plate. Idk :x

 

Double elim would be awesome.

I dont want to host.

I love the draft idea.

 

With respect to the number of people required, I don't think we'd absolutely need too many. LoL and Dota obviously run fine off of ten people total, and Magic drafts only require 6 people to play.

 

Yes, those methods only require 10, because there are 5 on each team. This draft might need more than that depending on which style of play is set up--10 people is only two real rounds, and the second is with 5 people which either a bye to the finals or a messy 5-person round robin in only the second round.

If we only had a small pool, we'd probably have to do it by each person playing each other person and keeping track of differentials, which also has its downsides through scheduling, etc. Even double elimination would be messy with a small number. I think absolute bare minimum is 12, but that's also rather small for what's happening, since that's only two rounds and a round robin at end as well.

 

No-elimination is also an option. I think the term is Swiss-style, but I'm on mobile so I don't feel like googling it. In essence, we could have as many rounds as we wanted.

Edit: Oh, I see you've already discussed this a fair bit.

 

I also had in mind a Pokemon draft format pretty much entirely based on the Dota/LoL way of doing it.

Prior to each battle, the two contestants would enter a pick/ban phase. For example, if I were facing Ash I might choose to ban Clefable and Mew, two strong Pokemon of his that I don't own. He might choose to ban Charizard and Infernape - however Ash also owns a Charizard and would not be able to use his own if he does so.
Following this, we would pick our six Pokemon in a 1/2/2/1 and 2/2/2 format as follows:

• I pick #1
  
• Ash counter picks #1
• Ash picks #2
• I counter pick #2
• I pick #3
• Ash counter picks #3
• Ash picks #4
• I counter pick #4
• I pick #5
• Ash counter picks #5
• Ash picks #6
• I counter pick #6

There would be no obligation to use the Pokemon in this order, just the formation of the team.

This could also work with a full rental roster, where we could choose to ban anything (probably more than two if that were the case). Common bans might be things like Blaziken/Greninja, but you may also prefer to ban specific Pokemon against specific people if they're known to use them well.

This style of format makes every match a bit more exhibition-like, and would work really well if we wanted to emulate the analyst desk/commentary style event on Discord voice chat.

 

Hey guys so we're having some great and constructive discussion over in the thread Nitro created in trainers court about tournament frequency so be sure to check that out! (Sorry I can't link cause mobile)

I want to open the floor to suggestions for a gen 7 themed tourney. At this point, it looks like we may push back gym tourney in favor of a gen 7 tourney, but that is not yet set in stone. Staff is diligently working to get gen 7 implemented (like seriously we are working v hard I promise) so I thought it would be a good idea to get some conversation going from the community at large to help us out a bit. What kind of tourney do you want to see? As long as it involves gen 7 somehow there are no wrong answers. Except GBA. That is the wrong answer. And please also refrain from killing any puppies.

 

Anti-Tourney

Auto-Taunt for all Pokémon, moves below 70 BP banned, must send FE mon. First person to lose, wins.

is this a wrong answer

 

on the contrary trolling is always the answer

 

anti-tourney actually has some potentially hilarious yet challenging mindgame situations. it just sounds incredibly stupid.

 

Explosion, Explosion, Explosion, Explosion, Explosion, Explosion. Do I win yet?

 

Some kinda pot based tourney?

Take entry fees, add the pot to the prizes for 1-2-3.

 

S&M iteration of the good ol' The BW Pokemon Tournament! EDIT YOUR TEAM BEFORE FRIDAY

@Monbrey @WinterVines @Ash K. @swiftgallade46

 

I like it except being forced to use the same 6 all tourney. Let's not forget how small gen 7 is compared to gen 5 we'll probably see exact duplicate teams. What if we did something like you have to change them each round? Granted people would still probably alternate back and forth between two teams but 12 is better than 6 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯