Reducing Gyms

This all seems reasonable to me.

Also, with the number of Pokemon rapidly approaching the 1000 mark, I think its pretty safe to remove wildcards now. If I recall, there were roughly 250 Pokemon when wildcards were first introduced (to my knowledge). Now there are almost 3 times that. Its time to rip off the bandaid I say. Not to mention, back then wildcard choices were much more strict. We didn't get any of this Dragon gym Lapras and Ampharos bullshit or the flying gym Blaziken blunder. A wildcard was strictly a Pokemon added to a gym lineup that was strictly allowed because another Pokemon in the evolution chain possessed the type of the gym. That, I wouldn't mind retaining, but all of these Pokedex justifications and whatnot aren't terribly necessary anymore.

Also, I feel I must apologize to you Chainy. Afterall, you do have a fighting gym.

 

best not remove kabutops from bug.

also, I don't really get the "allow fairy gym leaders to adjust" thing at all. especially if badges are transferring, like they are still going to have challengers right? plus it seems pretty dumb to make a Kalos league and then be like jk two of these gyms are going away. maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're suggesting?

 

Muddy I think Everyone Re Applies and if you win your gym back in the new system then you keep it if you lose it em'd rental mons are likely refunded and your free to apply for one of the new/other gyms

Im more than happy to see wildcards go some types where simply not made equal thats an issue with game balance for gamefreak to deal with not urpg

 

I would support all Rental TMs & Daycare & Dreamworld refunds for current leaders myself. (However, to the prices they are now, not when TMs used to be more expensive.)

Also, if wildcards are gone I would be;

Spoiler

 

>removing wcs
>m-muh slowbruh
>jimmies rustled

But seriously, removing WCs really hurts the level of balance we have now. While it's true, we get more and more Pokemon of the Gym's type each gen, the majority of them are shit in gyms. The majority of Gyms rely on their Pokemon from the first two or three generations. Porygon-Z for Electric, Kabutops for Bug, Slowbro for Ice and Electivire for Fighting are actually really necessary. The majority of WCs could definitely be wiped, but some are still really needed.

 

I know this may make me sound like this:



But gym leaders were doing just fine before their was a great laxity in WC rulings. There were no Water gym Dragonites (for considerable amount of time anyway), no Icy Slowbros, Bug Kabutops, or Electric Porygons. And everything was just fine. The gyms were full and virtually nobody was E4 eligible. Are people relying on their WC's because they need to or because they're used to it and its easier? Its not like they can be blamed for picking the easier option either, its their duty as a gym leader to win and the best way to win consistently is to take as few chances as possible.

Also Airik, its kind of hypocritical to suggest some gyms get WC's and others do not. That would imply the inferiority of certain types, which was exactly what you were arguing against a page or two ago. The only potential exception I could see to this would be the classic exception: Dragon gyms (and even then I still think we need to be LESS lax in that regard). Gamefreak really needs to get around to adding a bit more type variety there :|

 

WTP if youd be so kind as to quote where i said all gyms where equal id gladly have the discussion with you, I think what i was trying to say at the time tho was people should pick gyms based on an affinity for the type instead how competitive it is. I would never suggest that some gyms get wc's and others not i think i also said

Maybe you can manage to understand that now ive fixed one of the issues with my horrible grammar.

Fighting Types and Dragon types to name just two do not have the type variety to Happily deal with there most common threats without wildcards - again thats not URPG's issue thats Game Freaks

as i said not all types where made equal just like not all dogs go to heaven accept this and move on



apparently we all use gifs now

 

Ah, sorry. I was too distracted by Monbrey's flying lawnmower, my apologies.

 

That gif made me laugh more because the Lawn Mower is a John Deere, but hey ho.

 

I would have agreed with you in like... Generation IV.

They both have plenty now.

 

yeah my main point is that if we get rid of wildcards for some they should go for all and im in favour of wild cards in general. Equality isnt what you think it is folks i

 

WCs are nice for a dragon gym like mine but to be totally honest at this point we need any, let alone two. The type is strong enough to make do without them, as should all of the other types.

 

Ghost/Fighting, is that too much to ask for

Seriously though, as a Ghost-user I'm fine with WCs disappearing. The other types seem to have quite a diversity, and even Fairy looks like it will have few issues even though they are currently tied for lowest.

 

The WCs I have been allowed with my steel gym rarely really make a difference. I've actually had more of an issue using Electrode than fighting with my actual steel Pokemon. If I were able to legitimately argue why something better would work for a steel WC, then I think I would argue moreso for WCs being viable still.

At this point, just going to screw over all you people using good/useful WCs just because I can't have one.

Unless Togekiss for steel WC, then I'm happy. xD

 

Uh. Regarding WCs, I will cry if I can't use my Gliscor in my Rock Gym anymore.

Yeah sure there's a freaking ton of Rock 'mons, but half are pure Rock, Rock/Ground or Rock/Water.

Actually on second thought, it wouldn't be absolutely terrible given some of the new shiny Rock types, but still. I am GliscorMan, after all.

 

Fighting cannot defend itself without Electivire. It is one of four types in the entire game that doesn't have a cover to one of it's weaknesses. The only Pokemon I have that doesn't melt to fast fliers like Crobat (aside from Electivire) is Lucario, and guess what, Lucario is shit in URPG. I'm like Gliscorman, except that there are actually legitimate reasons behind having Electivire in a Fighting Gym (sorry bro, still love ya lots).

There is one circumstance in which I wouldn't go nuclear over losing Electivire. Gyms can choose to start with weather and I believe we're also going to give the option of allowing them to start with the new terrain moves - take my Electivire, but at least allow me to start with Gravity. It's not really any different from any of these other terrain/weather moves anyway.

 

Gliscor being in Rock makes no sense no matter which way you look at it besides complete bias. It shouldn't matter who you are, but what the gym itself is (even moreso than type imo).

When it comes down to it, the only two types I'd argue are in any need of a WC are Fighting and Dragon. Rock is actually one of the better gyms in terms of what it gets, between Shell Smashes, sheer strength of some of them, and Tyranitar. Fighting gets kinda screwed over by Crobat, and actually, I doubt Dragon needs one considering its general strength as a type (and introduction of Weakness Policy makes things like Dnite even better). So yeah, really only Fighting I guess can be argued for at this point.

 

Learn2Cradily.

But seriously, Rock gets Aerodactyl, Lunatone/Solrock, and once Gen 6 gets introduced Tyrantrum and Aurorus. Not sure how Carbink will work, or if it will be any good in the URPG. I think rock will work pretty awesomely once Gen 6 comes in. Losing Gliscor will be mostly a blow to your name.

 

Gliscor being a Rock wildcard at all was a weak argument in the first place.

I really don't think Terrain moves (Electric/Grass/Misty) should be allowed as a starting condition in gyms. They don't occur naturally the same way the different Weathers and Wi-Fi terrains do.

You have a very good argument for Electivire. Serious question in regards to Lucario being shit - does it's Mega Evolution aleviate that?