Why can't you use the new calc on the ref test?

Someone please explain it to me, because there's really no real reason to not let people use it.

DU made the calc to make reffing easier, what's so bad about that? You think being a ref is so prestigious we can't have a lot of them? You think being a ref means everything in the world? It doesn't. I've never been a ref and I'm fine.

The calc doesn't give you knowledge on all abilities and moves like Baton Pass/U-Turn and stuff like that, it's not gonna help you in a tricky situation with the abilities. So what if it forgoes having to do math in battles? What's the point of wasting time on math anyway?

That is the only advantage the new calc gives, is not having to do the math on a lot of things (you still have to do it on some things), the old calc skips the math of the damage formula but damn nobody cares about that do they? Jack does just fine without it but he doesn't complain about new people getting easy ways to do things! It's pretty hypocritical, even if Jack doesn't care.

What's wrong with having reffing be easier? As long as people know all the abilities and how they work and all the moves and their effects and things like that which aren't covered in the calc at all and they can use the calc perfectly I think things will be fine. Make the ref test accordingly. What is so wrong about this? Someone tell me please.

The calc's gonna go down? Well if the new calc goes down I think the old one will too, so yeah. Jack will be the only one who can ref. Make a backup calc. :uhoh:

So yeah these are just a few points of why there is no reason to not let people taking the ref test use the new calc, there are more. If you have a problem with this please tell me and I'll get back to you.

So? :bounce:

 

Not fair to people who passed it already

 

By your logic because people who used the damage formula and the original way of reffing got a bad deal too, so nobody should get to use the old calc on the test either.

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Don't be a smart ass please.

 

That wasn't being a smart ass, that was a perfectly legitimate answer to an argument nobody should use.

 

I think it's used in order to show new refs can go above and beyond the call of duty and don't just scrape on the lowest possible pass as refs will often be required to think on their feet and in order to become one it would require more than to ref a standard match, id that makes sense.

 

There are plenty of ways to keep refs on their toes besides tricking them with math, I know from experience, I've taken five tests. Just make the tests focus more on the stuff the calc doesn't cover and I don't see a problem.

Using the new calc does not mean insta-pass on a ref test, if you suck at everything the calc doesn't cover (and that's a lot) and you can't even use the actual calc correctly you're gonna fail miserably.

 

It is still easier for the ref tester as as it makes it less complicated to trick the trainee

 

The trainee can use the new calc after the test anyway, why mainly try to 'trick' them on the stuff you can do with it?

And ref testers are supposed to be skilled and be able to make a very good test in any situation, it's not that hard to make a good test even when the other person is using the new calc. Factor in that we are supposed to have very high quality ref testers and I don't see the problem.

 

I understand that, but say in a situation like this where mass amounts of new members join and aspire to become refs, a lot of tests will be ordered, if perfect tests can't be designed in such a situation it will take a lot londer than necessary, not saying ref testers are bad and thier functions

 

Even if you use the new calc you're not gonna be able to even come near passing the test until you've learned everything else. And people learn at different paces.

And I think ref testers would be able to handle it just fine. It's not out of their realm of capabilities.

 

Soda the new calc is more confusing anywase, there's way to many buttons, so stop complaining.

 

I actually have no idea of what you're mumbling about.

To answer the subject of this thread, the newer calculator does Burn, Critical Hits, Light Screen, etc. for you. Why will we want a referee that only knows how to click buttons and don't know how the equation works?

Simple enough, if you want to be lazy and don't want to put in the slightest effort, don't be a referee.

 

i would guess that only being able to use the old calc (which i gather does less stuff, so you have to self-calculate more) is about proving that you have a good grasp of maths. I mean if you have to self-calculate some stuff with the new calc anyway, then it makes sense to have a preference for people who are good at maths and can be trusted to get the calculations correct.

 

What equation? lol.

So what if it does burn for you? I honestly don't see the problem with that, people already know what burn does, halves your attack basically, why do we need to waste our time doing that? We don't. Why do we have to do all the math? Because that's what you do? No, that's not why DU made the calc, and no one cares if you've had to use the old calc for most of your time of reffing.

If reffing was super easy with the new calc then obviously we'd have all amazing refs and we obviously don't. You haven't even read the damn thread Ataro obviously or you don't know reffing because using the new calc isn't just clicking buttons cause there is lots of other stuff to know when using it.

Simple enough, it's not being lazy. You do put in effort when using the new calc, and you deserve to be a ref. You obviously don't know what it means to deserve to be a ref or you're not that great of ref tester, knowing how to do some stupid math means nothing. It's just a waste of time when you know what it does anyway.

And if using the new calc is being lazy because it does a little more math for you, than people using the old calc are being lazy too because it does a little more math for you than the original way of reffing. Don't call me a smartass, you're just dodging the issue. It's true.

You know I'm right you're just biased. All the experience in the world isn't gonna make you anymore right on the issue, Ataro.

 

To be fair you are quite biased on this matter also

 

So thanks for your "good" input.

 

If you actually passed the test, Sota, you wouldn't be bringing this discussion up.

 

Don't we invent things for the purpose of making our lives easier? If you ban it on the ref test, you might as well ban it altogether. If they get through the test without it, chances are, they're going to use it as a ref anyway, so it doesn't really make a difference. I don't particularly care myself, I'm just saying, if something is made that can allows me to run as fast as an Olympic sprinter, I'm gonna get one. It'd be pointless if I was required to run at a speed that competes with those guys, before I could get such technology.

On top of that, all it really has ever done for me is just speed up the process of damage calculation. How do you even enforce something like this anyway? :-/

EDIT: I don't really see this being a huge asset to Sota, as far as making it easier for him to pass anyway.

If that really is your only reason to argue this point Sota, don't expect me to ally with you on this one, thats more selfish than just.

 

I thought the purpose of a test was to see if you know the material you are being tested on. If you have a calculator do all the work for you what have you actually learned about it? Math is easy, if you can't do it in your head then grab a pen and a piece of paper. It seems to me the only reason someone would complain about not being able to use a calculator on a test that involved math is if they don't know how to work with numbers. If that is the case is that person really someone you want refing a battle that involves a lot of number crunching? Calculators are great for when you need an answer fast, but when your taking a test fast doesn't mean good.

Being new maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but In a real world scenario I would rather have the accountant that knows how to do math rather than the one that relies on a calculator to do it for him. If you don't know how to do math a calculator isn't particularly reliable.