URPG Milotic Evolution

People assume that just implementing a change for one 'mon means we need to implement it for all; this doesn't have to be the case. We do have the means for some of the simpler evolutions to occur, and while I'm not necessarily in favor of changing things just to do so, I don't think it'd be that big of a problem.

As for the Mantine/Remoraid/Mantyke bit, I don't think that should be required; in most of the games, after all, you can just catch Mantine. As for Glaceon/Magnezone/etc, that's not something we can easily represent in the URPG.

Remember, folks, the game is here to have fun, not make us observe minutiae. If something is making the game less fun for all involved, we can simply change it for the health of the game.

 

The game is here to have fun. So I don't see the need for anything to be changed. If we do change one thing though, why not change the others that we already have readily available. I mean sure we are talking about the feelings of pixels and fake creatures, but all of us are here because we love pokemon and I don't see why we should ever make something more appreciative for one mon instead of another.

Well I was not referring to the National Park. I was actually referring to the RP board we have here on Bulbagarden, which is more than open. One could easily implement it into PE2K, and even just this small evolution aspect. I fail to see how this is an issue.

But the pokeblocks are bought with credits. The credits can only be obtained through Contests. You can get 5000 credits without competing in contests and that isn't enough to max out beauty.

 

I don't like this idea. I don't really know why, it just annoys me for some reason. Milotic is already really hard to get, and making it harder to get isn't really cool, especially since better bulky waters like Swampert and Vaporeon are so much easier to obtain. However, I don't really know anything about making Pokeblocks/Poffin. How difficult would it be to max out beauty? How much would it cost? How long would it take? These questions are probably all answered, but I'm lazy. If its not that big a deal, I'll say fine. But if it costs 10k-20k, is really confusing, and/or takes ten hours, I don't think its worth it.

As for all the "We have to make all mons who evolve specially evolve right" people, note that there aren't that many Pokemon who have any feasible ways to evolve. We can't do Location based evolutions. The Park is closed now. We cannot implement that. We can discuss theses when the park reopens, but don't do it now.

The only feasible evolutions we can implement are Mantyke, Wurmple and Feebas. We should NOT be discussing whether or not location based evolutions work in the park, while the park is closed.

 

I thought you could spend the regular money on the contests, but couldn't spend the contest credits on regular money. If we actually have to compete in contests to earn those credits (sounds like at least 9k) I'm definitely against implementing the change. If you lose a contest, you get no credits; third place only gets $500, which would be 18 contests before you have enough. If you get fourth place, you don't get anywhere towards it.

 

The contest credits can ONLY be spent in the Berry Store; but you can also use regular money there as well.

 

Didn't know this. Still, just letting people buy what they will won't help the contests out at all. It just makes Milotic more expensive.

 

Yeah, and honestly, nothing will change that drastically; instead of spending 3k on a soothe bell, they spend 9k on berries to blend that they won't use on anything else. No major mechanic is changed, no exploit exists to be patched; I don't see it as necessary, tbh.

 

Oh, its fun watching these BMGers act...

Anyways, I don't see why this should be changed. Maxing out its Beauty stat. Really? Last I checked, Feebas were already hard to obtain. Yet, you want "change" for one Pokemon, just so that it's more like the game? URPG=/=The Games. This is an internet game. Feebas has evolved via Soothe Bell for almost 5 years. I don't see any reasonable case to change this.

 

3. No flaming other people. DO NOT ATTACK OTHER PEOPLE FOR THEIR IDEAS! This is very important.

Both Pokemon are pretty hard to get now. Also, you're exaggerating how hard it is to max beauty. It really is just an extra money thing. Also, I'm responding to arguments already brought up. Read the thread.

Yep, and I also think it would make more sense and be neat. Thanks for the inequality, I wasn't aware.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

 

There is nothing wrong with making the game behave more realistically, so i agree with changing Feebas to maxing out the beauty stat for evolution. It is only a little bit more money than a Soothe Bell anyway.

But you have to realize that the agenda of the majority of the pro-change people is just to popularize contests more, not to make the game more realistic. :smokin:

 

We could always balance this out by removing the battle requirements and maybe making Feebas a little easier to obtain. Just a thought -.-

The first part would go with the games quite nicely. And yes, I support this change.

 

I guess I support this. Contest section is dieing, and feng and pidge are just barely supporting it. While this wont force people to enter the contests, it may remind them of their existance.

Also, Flame, be nice.

 

Meh, people can simply buy the berries and blend into blocks to max beauty, and not participate in contests at all, so I don't really see how this might promote the Contest section.

Just saying.

 

The contest section has been dead for years. If anything, Feng is reviving it.

 

I don't see the need to change it. Call it lazy if you will, but I see no reason to complicate something further to no benefit; it won't make things more fun to have to calculate berry mixing for one isolated evolution. I'm not necessarily opposed to the change, just don't think it really would benefit things.

 

I hold steady on my anti-prejudice in pokemon ideals. All or nothing is the way to live.

 

Getting something straight here, I never typed one bit about contests in this thread, some of the supporters might be thinking I'm doing this to get contests rise in popularity while a few others think I'm attempting to scheme this to make contests more popular. My original idea was that this evolution would make URPG more authentic to the game. Pokeblocks are "items", every item evolution which has ever existed in mainstream Pokemon games has been exactly replicated to URPG.

But why the soothe bell?

URPG lacked Contests (<-- Which was never my exact point ) for over 3 years, was the only place where Attributes were utilized. So that was why they had to substitute the maxed beauty ordeal with a Soothe Bell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

(your counterarguments are all in here, thanks Pidge)

 

Read the wikipedia article, short but intresting.

The issue in my opinion though isn't "we've done fine without this so far", it's "will it make things better, or more annoying?"

other aspects of the URPG don't follow the games, simply because they're annoying (to put it bluntly). all attacks don't have a chance to score a critical hit, for example.

you could also argue that it would disrupt the balance, as it doesn't cost more then 3-6k to evolve any other pokemon where it would cost somewhere around 10k for this. that argument isn't legitimate, since it's the same in the games. milotic has always been annoying to obtain, thanks to how it evolves.

since I don't plan on using milotic ever and wouldn't benefit from this staying the same, I'll try and give my neutral opinion on it.

it really doesn't seem worth it.
the few milotic already used will lessen even more (well, not lessen for the people that already have it), and that feels unfair to milotic to almost exclude it, if you will.

 

I don't think there would be that many people being sensitive to spending just a few extra thousand dollars in cash... probably only need to fight just a few extra battles. Also, any true real person who feels like getting a Feebas (which is in the Demanding section for stories) would probably be scared off immediately by how much they must right. Any true determined person would be much less concerned over the cost of evolving a Milotic, and more concerned over the writing, they'd also acknowledge beforehand how much it would cost in time+money to obtain a Milotic..

I support my brother..
(Although he urged me to make a comment on this, lol, I read through the entire thread myself to check if it made any good sense.)

 

I don't see how it will lessen how it. Milotic is already rare to begin with. The only people that have it are almost exclusively Water Gym Leaders or were at some point. It's not very good outside those battles really, so nobody is going to be getting one to try and challenge the Elite 4 or something. The only people then, that would get one want it for novelty or for their gym, and I'm sure both of them don't mind paying an extra 6k just to evolve it.

fyi, you can make 7k alone just from the battles needed to reach the point of evolution.