Snooty Art Discussion

Yeah, and it doesn't work for me. Stupid iSketch.

 

Sent something to Monbrey for the competition. Though I think I forgot to put the theme.

Whoops, well he knows what it is anyways.

 

Wow, this section is giving the Contest section a run for its money in terms of use X.x

Anyways... have there been any plans to have art competitions, much like Battles/Contests have tourneys and writing has SWC/WWC?

Apparently I fail at reading. CORRECTION: are there any planned for the near future? May boost activity a bit here.

 

We did have ideas and they never really happened. My fault I guess.

tl;dr Yes we have plans, no idea when stuff will happen. If you have ideas, let me know.

 

Axion has been promoted to Ninja Turtle since he's like the only Curator anyway.

 

Wooo, go Axion!

 

Yay Axion! Totally cool with this happening. Since, you know, I don't do stuff anymore.

I probably should do that contest thing

 

@Monbrey; @TheProtobabe; @EmBreon; @Axion;

Crazy idea: Allow collab Art where each person does 1-2 pieces of the 2-3 needed, then effectively have one person trade their part of the value of the Pokémon for a reduced value, so basically if you did a Medium with someone where each of you did one piece of art, one would give half of that Pokémon's value for full ownership of the Pokémon (since you basically already own half of it). The trade must be done before either person can use the Pokémon.

/had this idea a while ago but apparently never posted it because it was the autorecovered post for this thread.

 

@Ash K.

So if you and I both put in one image for a medium, you would effectively pay me for a simple-level mon and you get the medium?

 

Basically. Each do half the work, then one pays the other for their half and gets the whole thing. Or do 1/3 and 2/3 and one pays for the other whatever part, you get the idea.

Medium/Simple works because Medium is usually valued as double the value of a simple (because based on CC they're exactly double both min and max), but it wouldn't necessarily work out that way for something like Complex. It's easier to think of it as you each did half of it and so you own half the Pokémon (or half the rights to the Pokémon, if you prefer) and pay the other person for their half to get the whole thing.

 

Overall, not a fan of the idea. Collabs were discussed early on during Art Section development and eventually decided against.

Having two people part-own a Pokemon is a very messy rule to put in place.

 

So now that we have a brand new Ninja Turtle and a new Curator, I'm going to go and change the rules on everyone because I can.

We've decided to remove the requirement for multiple pieces of art for ALL ranks, and to be honest we probably should have done it a long time ago. It was discouraging a lot of people from attempting those higher difficulties, and those people who did were forced into coming up with multiple ideas, despite their first piece clearly showing sufficient artistic talent.

As such, the points requirements have also been slightly revised:

• Easiest = 25 or higher.
• Simple = 35 or higher.
• Medium = 45 or higher.
• Hard = 55 or higher.
• Complex = 65 or higher.
• Demanding = 75 or higher.
• Merciless = 85 or higher.
• Stupefying = 95 or higher.

So, to clarify a couple of things:

Any artwork that is currently waiting on curation containing multiple pieces will not receive multiple Pokemon, but if either piece meets the required score, you will receive the Pokemon attempted.

Previous artwork requiring multiple pieces where at least one, but not all pieces met the required score is eligible for a re-examination of the best piece. However please keep in mind that the Curating team has revised how points are allocated now that the multi-piece requirement has been removed. If your artwork previously met the required score, this is not a guarantee that it still will.

Previous artwork requiring multiple pieces that resulted in a successful capture will not be revisited, and is not eligible for additional Pokemon or resubmission separately.

If there are any questions, feel free to ask.

 

http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f625/ash-k-s-gallery-149826/

Both Mudkip and Cottonee passed one piece and failed the other.

And yeah, this was long overdue. Glad it finally happened

 

Ill look and approve when I get home Ash.

 

Ya this makes a lot of sense to me, not that the old way didn't, both have merit, but I think this is overall easier. As a curator, tho a bad 1, Is there anything I need to know about how points are now allocated?

 

Finished my first grade as a curator... just celebrating...

 

Hey, just pointing this out, but shouldn't you guys edit this page to show the new requirements? It still says stuff like, "For a Porygon-Z, you're going to have to pull out three amazing 90 point pieces."
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f625/how-make-pokeart-128852/

Anyway, I have a question about the grading of drawings. The "How to Make PokeArt" page says that drawings don't require color, but I saw several instances in which curators took points off of drawings for not having color, so which one is it?

 

Color is not required, but we do require some amount of either that or well done shading and such.

 

Hey guys, know I have no real authority, but I was wondering... What quality of art are these people looking for in each tier? So I made this chart for your contemplation and correction. I just wanted to get a sense of what we're looking for with these new grades....

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Easiest = 25 or higher...........Skill Level: Grade school level; you're like WTF, I'll draw a magikarp
Simple = 35 or higher............Skill Level: Amateur artist; Let's see what comes out of my pencil
Medium = 45 or higher...........Skill Level: A little skill with your medium; At least you got up and did it.
Hard = 55 or higher...............Skill Level: Developed skill with your medium; You're inspired, but not willing to work
too much.
Complex = 65 or higher..........Skill Level: Above average skill, but not professional grade; You made an effort
Demanding = 75 or higher.......Skill Level: Above average skill, not professional, but well thought out; You put in
your best effort
Merciless = 85 or higher.........Skill Level: Mastery in skill, obviously not professional but worthy of respect; you
care too much, maybe even invested money in the project.
Stupefying = 95 or higher.......Skill Level: Professional level; you did this as you job and someone is actually paying
you.

I hope this represents the tiers... and even if it doesn't, that;s why I posted it-- so people with more experience can correct/ comment.

 

@Dalek;

That's... nearly correct. We're not looking for 'professional artists'. We know that people want to try their hand at art in here, and some people simply aren't very good at art yet. Personally, I judge upon the work put into a piece. As an artist myself, I can look at a piece and go, "This person half-assed this piece. It looks good because they have talent, but I'm not giving them a high grade when I know they can do better". On the other hand, you can look at a piece that isn't necessarily extremely good--the person drawing the piece is struggling with anatomy, or perspective--but a lot of heart and work went into it. They tried their best to make great shading, there's lovely texture attempted, a detailed background, and they have a very original idea. That's when you'd go, "Oh wow, maybe this piece isn't visually appealing at first glance, but look at all the time they put into this! I'll keep that into account as I dish out points, and give them detailed critiques and tips on how they should improve later".

So I'd say it's more like this:

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Easiest-You decided to doodle something simple. A piece with no shading, story, or background could pass here, so long as the piece they drew resembles the Pokemon.
Simple-You decide to doodle something and color it OR shade it OR do a very simple background. A piece with an extremely simple background and no story could pass here.
Medium-You decide to smooth out the lines of your doodle and add some neat shading. A piece lacking texture or story could work here--a simple "Pokemon posing and looking cool" as a standalone could pass here.
Hard-You decide to draw some awesome scales/fur on your Pokemon and mix up the background a bit, and give it a simple story. A piece with a simple 'story', a decent background, the beginnings of texture and highlights would do nicely here.
Complex-You decide to do several sketches before deciding on a good pose, and you come up with something original as the basis of your piece. You also pay attention to lighting and background a lot, and integrate something about the Pokemon (perhaps a fact from Bulbapedia, an urban legend, or even a crossover from another fandom) into the piece. A piece that immediately gets you curious about the 'story', something that really pays attention to the details of the background and texture, something that really gets you excited about that Pokemon would do great here.
Demanding-You decide to study anatomy of the Pokemon by researching pictures, you pay attention to color harmony, shadowing, the Pokemon's environment, perhaps adding extra elements like a Trainer or other Pokemon, you really take the time to capture a moment in that Pokemon's life to get the story of the illustration across. A picture that would pass here involves a lot of deep thought into the creativity and detail of the piece. Something would really have to capture your attention and be the first illustration of its kind--not telling an overtold story again and again. Something with great elements, like perspective, emotion, color balance, texture, lighting, background detail even greater than anything from the previous categories... a piece like this is nearly perfect.
Merciless-Not only are you going to draw a Pokemon, you're going to spend a very long time on every piece of it. You hone in on every part and paint in painstaking detail--scales, scars, fur, shadows, glow effects, anything! You want this piece to be amazing, the best you've ever done! You focus on getting amazing perspective, or lighting effects, or a battle scene, something intense and imaginative. Nobody has ever done something like this before, it's totally original and it strikes a chord with anyone who sees it. Pieces that have original styles, cool effects, perfect Pokemon anatomy, and several elements going on, with amazing shading/lighting/backgrounds/detail/texture would be what you are looking for here.
Stupefying-You make a piece that is almost impossible to criticize. Nearly every minute detail is perfect, from the form, anatomy, and pose of the Pokemon, to the shading of each little piece of grass or whatever your Pokemon is standing on. Everything about this is original, from the style, to the pose, to the story. This piece could be one of the best of any in the URPG, and we're not exaggerating. Pieces that knock you senseless with the artist's intended emotion or message make these pieces breathtaking and the only ones able to pass this incredibly difficult grade.

Things to consider when grading art, regardless of difficulty level:

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Elements of art. These include texure, space, shape, tone/value, and line. When looking at art, ask yourself these questions when curating:
-Did they attempt any texture? Does the fur look fluffy? Does the metal look shiny and hard? etc.
-How did they make use of the space in the image? (I recommend looking up the Rule of Thirds for this and determining how the image uses negative/positive space here). Did they make use of perspective? If they did, was it executed well? Is the Pokemon the definitive center of the piece?
-Is the piece shaded? Is it colored? Is the shading consistent with a light source? Are the colors over-saturated, or do they fit the image in its entirety? Was there creative use of the color wheel? Did they use shading to sharpen the shape of the Pokemon/objects in the background? (I recommend saving the image to your computer and converting it to a grayscale image. This will help you determine whether the colors contrast well or if the shading was done correctly if colors were used).
-Are the outlines of the Pokemon/objects defined? Did they creatively use tone/value to define where objects are in the image?

Originality.
-Has this pose been done before?
-Is there a 'backstory' to the image? If so, is it original or clever?
-Is the style original to the artist?

Effort.
-Does it look as if they've spent a lot of time on the piece?
-Pay attention to how they say they did the piece, and if you think you need it, request WIP pieces. From this, can you say that this piece was well-planned, or thoughtfully created?
-Did they try something new? Did they push the boundaries of their artistic talent?

Pokemon.
-Did they draw the Pokemon correctly?
-Is the Pokemon the correct colors (shiny included)?
-Did they draw the Pokemon doing something plausible for its species?

This doesn't encompass every type of art out there--i.e., banners, animations, and sculptures, but the general ideas can be translated to those as well. I'm sorry if this was long-winded, but I hope it helps you ^^