URPG PokéMafia II (GAME OVER - MAFIA WINS)

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [NIGHT 3]

In a unanimous vote, the annoying blue blob of vitality had been silenced for ever...

Dangling by the noose as its feet swiveled around. Half a minute later, the squirming stopped.

IT'S NIGHT, NO TALKING!

GHOST SPEAKING CAN BE REPORTED TO ME FOR INFRACTION.

Night ends 0:00 GMT-5 2/10/11

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

Poor dead bird...

Wings and beak torn off with force...

So Gruesome.

It's now DAY 4, you have until 0:00 GMT-5 2/11/11 to discuss and vote for a lynch before the day ends. NO GHOSTSPEAKING.

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

I can very honestly say.

Fuck.

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

Something fishy is going on. As we can all see, Timpeni voted lynch. We can therefore be pretty sure that the role of Turtwig ABC that put him as Mafia is real (or atleast that is what came up when he was inspected), though the fact that when Lynched his role comes up as being villager. Im gonna take a guess and say that Turtwig had a special ability that allowed him to appear villager when lynched despite being a mafia. This of course is useful because he could accuse someone and if it backfired and got himself lynched his evidence is suddenly more important now that he appears to be a villager. Again, this is just a guess but i think it could be plausable.

Also the fact that our Inspector was killed is disturbing in terms of how easily the Mafia found out. Dont be so trusting people.

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

So basically... Mafia is overpowered, gg?

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

Well again, this is just speculation, though if it is true hopefully only Turtwig had that power (otherwise feng is evil)

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

Something tells me that we are more screwed than we realize. The fact that the nurse was murdered immediately following with the Investigator deeply scares me. This obviously means that someone knows exactly who we all are. Pidge, who seems to have been good after all, may have either been misinformed or misled by whoever he gave the List to. This is the only option I have been lead to. However I would like to point out the second person who asked for my role. Not Pidge but our own Ketamine. I think that he should be the one that we look into next.

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

Several things.

1. We are so unbelievably screwed.

2. I'm not so sure Timpeni, at least, was an information leak (although quite a few people knew about her, so it's quite possible). Anyone who was following the lynching conversation would have been able to figure out who she was from this post. It's reasonable to say that the Mafia are playing close attention.

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3. Pidge's spreadsheet was made available to a pretty significant number of people. I've seen it posted in at least one chat with 8+ "villagers" in it. We have absolutely no hope of hunting down an information leak.

4. Do we have any leads?

EDIT: k, so at this point, Mubz says Turtwig could be Mafia. My knowledge of Mafia roles is limited, but from what I know, the only "looks guilty when inspected and innocent when lynched" roles are Villager and Rogue subtypes. Gliscor says to look at Keta. Tbh, so many people knew about Timpeni that Keta would be more a scapegoat "we know who he is" sortof thing than an actual logical decision. What we need to look at is who knew about Morru Magnum. That'd be a smaller pool, I think.

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

I think the leak might have happened earliar than we expect. On Night 0, Synthesis was killed, which was a huge boost to the Mafia as they could try and vote off threats, such as Pidge, early on without being identified. personally when i saw the results for the lynch on Day 1 (i think it was 8-7) i was surprised that Pidge had gone so close to being lynched for being nothing more than 'aggressive'.

As for leads, we know that Pidge was village, so investigating his leads in this post isnt a bad idea i think

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

You've both got good points. Nemo, why not look into who knew about both Morru and Timpeni? That would be a good place to start. And Mubz, that seriously is a good thought right there. Synthesis was a major casualty. That was probably something important. Considering who Pidge was pointing to would also be a good idea. WTP's trolling almost got him lynched and then he stopped. Maybe because he's afraid? I have no idea. LM I'm curious about. He never really said anything important. Stinky and Jesse I can see simply because they were the ones urging us on to vote against Pidge. But the question remains. Who do we go after?

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

How does urging the vote against Pidge make them suspicious? Its not like they had a tough time convincing people to vote him. 7 people voted Pidge day one. They only got 3 additionaly voters the next day. :banghead:

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

The overlap would definitely be useful.

Pidge's suspicions of WTP and LM are based entirely on the fact that they gave him blatantly fake roles because he was pressing them for information. As we've seen pretty clearly, giving Pidge information hasn't turned out well for the Village. I don't think we can really hold it against them, especially as they haven't done anything else suspicious.

On the matter of Stinky and Jesse... There are theories of cultists. Dunno whether I believe them. I know Timpeni wanted to investigate Jesse, but have no idea whether she did or not.

EDIT: Also, voting for Pidge is a bad indication of guilt. One third of the game voted for Pidge. We better not have that many Mafia.

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

I agree with my girlfriend WTP here.

How does Stinky and I wanting a powerful player out of the game for knowing pretty much all the roles make US suspicious. So we screwed up voting him out that doesn't mean we are maf for having one mess up. Just because we want a possible threat out means nothing at all. Thats not a lead.

EDIT: @ Scourage: I would be fine sending anyone my role

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

At this point, it is way more likely there is a Framer than Turtwig being Mafia. I can very much say that there is someone in the inner circle of trust and we are all basically screwed.

Now, as I see it, we have only little to go on. We know someone who was trusted is an obvious fraud. We know there are people who aren't actively contributing except to vote (some not even that). We also know a few assumptions so far. As things are now, we've lost our main support, but we are still not out numbered.

Now as much as I've seen so far; my list of FoSes could easily be innocent, but might as well put them out there.

Jokesterjesse
Legendary Master
Scourge

Jesse here is picked for several easily defendable claims. For one, Pidge picked him. For two, he is one of the few people in the inner circle. Also, the first day's private vote is now setting me off; Jesse told people he was going to vote for Ace, and according to the results, he did. This could be him obviously trolling and not contributing to the village, or it could be him trying to find a backing so people believe he is just goofing around.

Legendary Master is here because he basically lied about his role. This could be because he didn't trust Pidge, but there was really no need to go to the extent that he did to find a replacement role. Just telling Pidge that you didn't want to share your role probably would have been enough.

Scourge is here because of a simple statement I remember her having said. It could e nothing, but it could also be everything. She mentioned LM screwing over his whole "team" by reposting a role from the last game and not his actual role. The only thing that really that makes me think it is suspicious, is the whole screwing over his team thing. Normally you would say that he was screwing over himself or just saying that he wasn't helping the village by it. In this case though, it seems as though Scourge knows what team he is on and is most likely angry with him for putting that team in a bad situation.

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

Here are my thoughts on those three, as incorrect as they probably are.

I don't think there's anything incredibly suspicious about LM - he panicked and gave Pidge a crappily forged role PM. Considering that the entire first part of this game was basically everyone freaking out about Pidge, I don't think that this necessarily means LM is worthy of a lynching, but then again I'm willing to hear some proof against him that isn't just "oh no he lied about his role he must be evil". After all, there are some roles that work better when distanced from the village.

I feel similarly about Scourge. It seems to me like this village has a bad habit of liking to point fingers at the leaders. Pidge was the village's first leader, and he died in a blazing inferno. Next up was Ketamine, and someone also tried to point the finger at him. Now that he's gone afk and Scourge has voluntarily taken over, she'd be the next "person-in-power" to worry about I agree, but without a strong cohesive village there is no way we will prevail over the Mafia, and that means someone will have to lead, and it might as well be Scourge. She seems to know what she is doing and always backs up her thoughts with clear, logical reasonings.

I'm not too sure about JokesterJesse. Yes, people keep saying that his running around to get Pidge voted off doesn't necessarily mean anything, and I agree with those, but he still seems a little shifty to me and I can't remember him doing anything that has helped out the village as of yet.

One other thing - unless I'm missing something, we seem to have forgotten about WTP. It seems to me he pulled off a high-risk trolling maneuver early-game because almost everyone was against him at the beginning but now no one whatsoever is after him. I'm not saying he is mafia, but he probably should be watched.

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

I did the same thing as LM but I'm more suspicious because I defended myself successfully? :sweat:

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

No, I'm saying you both should be watched but not necessarily lynched. If I forgot that part in my last post my bad.

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

Turtwig being Mafia is stupid. Turtwig being Miller is very plausible. Framer also seems very plausible at this point. But Framer existing is now a moot point, because we don't have a freaking investigator for them to Frame us with. At least it saves us the paranoia of lynching another innocent based on a faulty Investigator report. ._.

The point I keep making that everyone seems to be missing is there is no inner circle of trust. Pidge compiled and discussed his info with a few trusted people. They told everyone else about it. Pidge died. Ketamine got info. Ketamine discussed info with whomever he needed to boss around to get stuff done. Take Pidge's group and Keta's group. Establish communication and rumor tree. Info got spread. Info is all over the place. I learned a grand total of two roles (both talent-less villagers) from a fourth/fifth-hand source, if I'm not mistaken. Multiply that by thirty people, minimum two of which know it all, but probably more than that got tips from Pidge. I don't think the actual info compilation is even available anymore, but half of the players have gotten wind of bits and pieces of what was on it. The problem for the Village is that Pidge had no certainties of Mafia, and the only people he found to be suspicious were people who admitted to being Neutral and people who didn't want to cooperate with him. Which means that the only correct information out there is information on the important villagers. And it's kinda jumping around.

I don't think either of these are valid reasons. He's said lots of sketchier stuff, 'n if you search hard enough, most of it's in this topic. But "Pidge picked him" is a bad idea for reasons already cited; as is the voting for Ace, because really... does it matter? The inner circle bit is a valid point, though. Minus, y'know, the apparent non-existance of an actual information plug.

I don't see why we're excluding WTP but not LM, based on your reasoning. This wasn't just a "crappily forged" role (as Chainy called it). It was a blatant copy of Pidge's role from the last game. That is the move of a troll who wants someone to gtfo. Anyone with an actual useful role wouldn't be stupid enough to do that, because it would automatically create suspicion, as we're seeing here.

And you just shot to the top of my suspicion list. XD This seems like the sort of thing you say when you want to provoke a reaction that you can use to create sketchiness, tbh. I've only talked about LM once, and that was in my previous post. I've also never had a full conversation with you in the game. Were you in the chat in which Pidge asked why we were lynching him? That's the only time I can think of running into you for long enough to say something, and LM was never the topic of discussion, iirc.

Regardless, "team" is a very nonspecific term. Teams are Village, Mafia, Neutral. If LM is Neutral, he's screwed over his team of himself. If LM is Mafia, he's screwed over his team because the Mafia kinda need to survive to win, and one down is screwing all the rest over. If LM is Village and we lynch him, we are screwed over because we've lost not only a turn, but one of our own, and we've probably been played.

EDIT: Also, no lynch until we get some substantial logic from somewhere. I THINK IT'S AIM STALKING TIME.

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

Okay, well last days lynch was partly my fault, I totally forgot about the fact that a miller was possible I was getting way to excited to the fact that we could of found a chain of mafia.

The fact that now our inspector is dead is a very hard truth to deal with, we need the Hooker to be in full cooperation with us to find the remaining mafia, although for those who know who the hooker is this seems unplausible.

TBH now no ones word can be trusted, I feel like if we are back to day 1.

Btw now there are practically no power roles for Villagers left we are vulnerable, let the scumhunt begin :drool:.

My advice for day is:
No Lynch​

 

Re: URPG PokéMafia II [DAY 4]

no lynch