Tournament Ideas

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That was most definitely not PG-13!!!

 

I like it. Just so you know, something like this was done once before, 4 trainer teams (well, you could have 5 trainers and use 4 per battle or just have 4) and it was attempted on AIM allowing fewer trainers to control all from one side, which ended with teammates getting mad at each other (yes, that was me when 2 of our team tried a battle and epically failed without even asking for permission)

Having 6-8 people send each turn could take a while, especially if stall tactics get used (which you can't just ban in a tournament). Also have to consider positioning if you follow Triple Battle targetting rules (Triple Battles weren't invented last time so it was just done as target anything and moves hit everything).

I'M ALSO WORKING ON A TOURNAMENT WITH THE HELP OF A FEW OTHER PEOPLE. KEEPING IT A SURPRISE THOUGH.

 

2 day limit (or so) w/ 3 week limit (or so) with the remaining number of mons, as I said in my post, seems like a decent way to handle time concerns to me. Stall tactics are kind of gimmicky in a flat out 3v3 Triple Battle team with nothing to switch in, because if one of the Pokemon on the stalling team faints while setting up the stall, a 3-2 advantage makes stall difficult against a more concentrated attack.And yeah, the thing about Triple Battles kind of goes without saying. Obviously we'd need refs that would know what they were doing.

 

Since PE2K is closing and it means that URPG won't be part of the annual WAR, we should totally do our own team based ladder type thing, with 4 or 5 equal sized teams. Rules change each week, most points wins etc. Contestants could probably be drafted by team captains to prevent all the best players joining the same team.

Similar alternative which I probably won't be able to word correctly: 4 or 6 teams, each week the teams are assigned an enemy team. They go head to head with this team, and the team with the most wins in the week out of the two wins the week, then it can fit into a league table. Quick example -

WEEK 1 STANDINGS
Team A 12 - 9 Team B
Team C 12 - 5 Team D

Wins / Loses / Ties / Battles Won / Battles Lost / Battle Differential
Team C 1 0 0 12 5 +7
Team A 1 0 0 12 9 +3
Team B 1 0 0 9 12 -3
Team D 1 0 0 5 12 -7

Say you get something like 2/3 points for a win, 1 for a tie and 0 for a loss, and those with the most points win (in the result of a tie, battle differential comes into play as a tie breaker). There could be 2 rounds of battles (8 weeks) to make things interesting. Any players who missed out on the sign ups could be placed in a random team/a team with the least players/something idk.

(Please excuse the shitty formatting of the table)

 

There wasn't really going to be WAR on Pe2K anyway. I suppose we could do something like this eventually though, but Risk will probably take up the remainder of the Summer.

 

FFA Tourney #2?

I think the last one was run almost entirely by Pidge during the summer of '11. My favourite tourney for a number of reasons. Huge participation, really creative rules, people who mightn't be the best battlers could do really well and it was very strategy-based. A lot of people really enjoyed it and I think it'd be perfect to do during the summer. I know we have Risk running, but having a schedualed FFA where people collected points once a week would not affect Risk activity at all and would give people a reason to be active and form back-stabbing teams. What's not to love?

 

What do you guys think of a double elimination tourney?​

 

It's perfect.

When people don't show up for their first battle, they can not show up for their second one too!

 

Okay but also there hasn't been a bracket tournament since the gym tournament in January of last year....

Also it isn't like any of the tounrnaments you've approved in that year have been particularly good either:

Risk is pretty obvious....

FFA tourny wasn't terrible, but a lot of people got upset with each other because of teaming and such. Also some of the FFAs weren't even bigger than a normal FFA (like the 15 & 16 people ones). This is the type of tournament that is fine to be run as a fun tournament, which is pretty much what it was, however the fact that there have been so few tournaments makes it more lackluster. Only get 3 in a year and this is one of them kinda thing...

Ladder tourny... These are pretty ignorant, in my opinion. It's a competitive strategy to force weaker members to battle you over and over... Especially when you use non-complex ways to determine your place on the ladder (i.e. 3 points for winning as opposed to getting points based on the level of your opponent). Sure they can raise activity, but not always in a good way in my opinion.

Also you won't approve a bracket tournament because people evade battles, but you approved Risk which gave people the opportunity to avoid battles every round....

 

I think we should have a Gen vi tourney when it's ready, much like the b/w one. When that's done, maybe mid to late November, there could be a plain bracket tourney for 4-6 weeks and then the gym one late 2013/early 2014

I'm sure the rise in activity come gen vi will feed the gen vi tourney and then lead to an active bracket tourney. These are my suggestions so no stupid comments from monbrey anyone. It'd be better if tourneys were a consistent thing, seperated by a gap of two weeks or so each. Also, you could always just not allow obviously inactive people to enter or be stricter with deadlines with no extensions pre semi finals.

/my 2c

 

I think a Battle Factory style tourney using only gen VI mons would be awesome it would give everyone a chance to field and try new strategies with gen vi mons while putting everyone at a disadvantage in not knowing the pokes as well and evening the mon/em playing field making it more accessible for newer members. I also feel that a bracketed tourney should have strict deadlines if you lose because of inactivity then that is on your own head and you just have to kind of accept it.

 

@Elamite;

Risk: Didn't work, I know it, everybody knows it, nobody needs to be reminded of it.

FFA Tourney: Crybabies gonna cry. The problem with a fun tournament is that a lot of people don't seem to be able to merge the concepts of "fun" and "tournament" in their head. TOURNAMENTS MUST BE COMPETITIVE, MUST WIN AT ALL COSTS.

Ladder Tournaments are intended to be a middle ground between fun and competitive. We try and impose restrictions on who you can battle and how often, but people will always try and find a way to exploit whatever system is in place to benefit themselves and give themselves the best chance at winning. There's only so much I can do to prevent that if we do run a ladder tournament.

Also, don't tell me that I "wont approve something" after a one line post in a thread that I responded sarcastically to. I'll consider approving an actual formulated idea for the whole tournament.

@Synthesis;

I have to question how we'd be running tournaments every two weeks - that's the average duration for a single round. If you're suggesting we run them alongside each other, I'm not opposed to that, but there is such a thing as "flooding the market" so to speak. It pressures us for ideas that aren't the same tournaments over and over again, and people will get bored of competing. It frustrates people three times as much if theyre in three tournaments with inactive opponents and all the other problems we encounter.

As for who we do and don't allow to enter a tournament, that's a shitstorm just WAITING to happen. It wasn't that long ago that you yourself were inactive enough to have a tournament application rejected, but now you're active. Partly, the point of a tournament is to give people a reason to become and remain active, as well a provide a competitive environment for the players who are already active. If we start picking and choosing who enters, the tournaments become smaller and lose their appeal.

I support strict deadlines and no extensions. I also think tournaments should have an entry fee, so that their is an actual sense of loss for not competing.

@Airik; (and everyone else)

There was intended to be a Battle Factory in September, but WTP or whoever was going to host it has disappeared. I'll probably run it myself soon, and I'd like to incorporate Gen VI into it, so it will probably occur sometime shortly after release.

 

Risk: Cool idea but horribly executed and was doomed to fail from day one. If there's one thing we can state categorically about URPGers, it's that they get tired of things after about three weeks. Tournaments and events on this scale are a bad idea and shouldn't happen.

I like Monbrey's stance on tournaments. Fun isnt always synonymous with challenging - sometimes a stupid tournament is good. On the other hand, it's good to have challenging ones too, because they're usually what the top-tier battlers find more interesting. The sliding scale of fun to competitive goes like this:

Fun <-----------> Competitive
FFA Tournaments <-> Ladder Tournaments <-> Elimination Tournaments

I guess I'm kind of using the side-definition of "Fun tournaments are tournaments in which less skilled and/or newer members have a higher chance of placing" but still.

Monbrey is absolutely right about setting up entrant application rejections. It -is- a shitstorm waiting to happen. Hell, it's already happened - one of the driving forces behind the clusterfuck that was the 2011 Gym Tourney was people whining about how only Gym Leaders could participate even though there were maybe four people in the URPG at that time that didn't have a Gym -and- were even slightly interested in participating. Unless there's a really really good reason people shouldn't be barred from entering tourneys.

I'm getting tired of backing Monbrey here (I prefer his front, heyo) but strict deadlines and no extensions is absolutely the way to go. Like I established at the beginning of this post, most URPGers have tiny attention spans and tournaments that flounder on tend to die. Short of a huge holiday (Christmas, Superbowl, release of The Stick of Truth, etc) there should absolutely be no extensions. If people want to participate they can juggle.

I fully support a Gen VI Battle Factory tournament, if by Battle Factory we mean the thing Ataro did during the Gen V release where each person got like 500k and then bought stuff. I remember that as being a great tournament.

 

It's all good.

You're thinking of Budget Tournament, which was the other option voted on a while back.

Battle Factory is where you get rolled a group of Pokemon from tiers, 1 x T1, 2 x T2, 3 x T3, then you can swap a Pokemon out for one you claim from a defeated opponent.

 

Right, my bad. Either is good then, but I prefer Budget Tourney.

 

This is incredibly subjective. I don't particularly enjoy super-competitive battling, and wouldn't find it particularly fun. Others do. Which is why I try to vary the style of tournaments.

Lets look at the past 365 days:

Gameboy Tournament - finished 25th November - Competitive
Gym Tournament - finished 26th January - Competitve
URPG Ladder Tournament 2013 - finished 18th May - Semi-competitive
FFA Tournament - finished 1st September - intended to be mostly non-competitive
Risk - finished 9th September - lets not pretend anybody knew what that actually was

I agree that it's time for another competitive tournament. I haven't said otherwise.

That is my opinion on them, yes. I post my opinion in the tournament opinion threads. However as I've already mentioned, there was meant to be a Battle Factory tournament running during September, after Risk/FFA Tournament. A bracket-based tournament that I approved as it was the most popular option.

Fair enough, that's why I asked what he meant. Again - planned Battle Factory, though I admit a lack of organization in actually getting it started.

And we we're agreed on entry fees, so that's all good. I support either refunding them for completing the tournament until you're knocked out, or splitting them up as a prize pool between active players only. This means that if you lose your first round battle, you could still get a consolation cash prize from the prize pool. If you don't show up to your first round battle, you're out without a prize.