Wobbuffet broken

One turn of set up isn't a big deal if you prepared your team correctly. Besides, you're using up one whole Pokemon for that single turn of set up.

 

So if that is the deal, just use Roar/Whirlwind and force something else out. Just about everything gets Roar, and unless Wobby uses Encore on turn one, you can force out something else to give you a chance to set up. And let's say it does start with Encore first; there are plenty of people who use TrickScarf. You might get Encored but then you can switch out to something else, big deal. Wobby gets stuck using a single move thanks to Scarf or Band. The Mon you end up sending out against it will get Encored, but just use a strong move against it to KO it in a few turns.

And hell, there are people who might just start with Safeguard or Mirror Coat or Charm or something, and if you Scarf/Band it, that makes it even easier to take out later, especially if it's forced to switch out and you have the ability to set up that turn while it does.

EDIT: Wynaut/Wobby get Tickle? >> I was unaware of that. Also, lol you might send in Mence or something and set up that DD, but then I'll send in Weezing or Metagross or something similar and use Explosion for a OHKO 8D. Which is another thing you can do. You can Explode or Selfdestruct on Wobby, and then whatever comes in can most likely finish it in one move. Yeah, you sacrifice a Mon, but basically you're saying someone might sacrifice their Wobby for the sake of putting their opponent at a disadvantage, so meh.

 

Shadow Tag prevents switching

Generally you don't want to bring Wob in on something that can phaze it out, so you'd try to avoid bringing it in on something with Roar/Whirlwind. The point is switching in on something it can trap effectively.

 

Roar/Whirlwind will mess up in most scenarios if Wobbuffet switches in. It can use Encore before Roar/Whirlwind goes, and make you use the move you used before.

 

I edited my last post.

Also, Pidge, you're assuming that the Mon that comes in or is sent first will use a different move other than Roar/Whirlwind before Wobby uses Encore. Also, id Wobby switches in on the turn Roar/Whirlwind is used, it'll just got blown away and another Mon will be forced out again lol. Or am I misunderstanding you?

Also I know Shadow Tag prevents switching, but if Wobby is stuck using Encore it most likely won't stay out, even if the Mon it's against is stuck using Roar or something lol. Unless they decide they want the battle to become a Struggle match. This is true whether you use Roar/Whirlwind or Trick.

EDIT: Lol, I can imagine a battle against two Wobby when they both use Encore XD. That'd be horrible.

EDIT2: Well, two Wobby against each other is horrible to being with >>...

 

Typically Wobbuffet will be sent in on you, since you can't really switch into a Wobbuffet (except U-Turn/Baton Pass (and if you used one of those, you probably have something with Taunt to go to rather than Roar/Whirlwind)). Anyway, when Wobbuffet is sent in on you, you won't be able to Roar/Whirlwind due to the negative priority, and it will Encore the move you used before.

Two Pokemon with Shadow Tag are allowed to switch out from each other. Also, Wobbuffet vs. Wobbuffet would end in a Struggle match, which in DPP makes you lose 25% from recoil.

 

If you taunt and set up, it's really easy to beat it.

 

Taunt, Sucker Punch, anything that is immune to Counter and Mirror Coat will stop it dead.

 

Have you bmger's lost your sense of wanting to ban pokemon? I want to hear a valid reason why we should ban wobbuffet :/

 

Oo Okay, if Wobby is brought in on you and you Roar/Whirlwind, it'd just get blown right back out. I don't see why switching would affect Roar/Whirlwind still going second, but maybe I'm missing something. And say it comes out first and you Roar; since it's negative priority, Wobby's Encore won't hit anything and your Roar will, once again, force a switch.

Oh, I know Roar/Whirlwind have negative priority; I was saying if it was the first turn lol. I wasn't saying like, halfway in the battle Wobby comes in and you try to Roar/Whirlwind it next turn, because obviously that would fail.

At any rate, if a Wobby comes out, most people should expect an Encore from it and switch to something more capable of dealing with it. There are several popular Pokemon that get either Taunt or Encore and could deal with it easily enough, and there are many Pokemon who can Trick a Choice Item onto Wobby to shut it down completely. If you see a Wobby in someone's stats it probably wouldn't hurt to use a Mon who can take it out, just in case they use it (in the case that they have more Mon than however many you'll both be using in battle).

And lol Muse XD.

 

Yep, and this is the most typical scenario.

:banghead:

Why am I still posting here.

 

Because you love hearing the same thing said over and over again.

 

Read my post then meep

or pidge's

TT Wob has Shadow Tag :mail:

 

I'm not saying its broken, though.

 

Meep :/... haha just kidding I didn't read.

 

The point is that you can't switch, as Pidge has already pointed out several times

I'm not supporting it being banned though.

 

In my defense I was tired that night, as I hadn't slept all day and had to go to work XD. At any rate I did make some valid points, so lol.

Levitate gets around Arena Trap, right? Would it also work against Shadow Tag?

Oh, and I know it's not a move lots of Mon get, but it's worth mentioning anyways: Gastro Acid.

AT ANY RATE, Wobby might have good HP but it hardly has the best Defenses. Say you send out Mence + Life Orb and use Outrage. Wobby Encores you. Next turn it either gets KOed by another Outrage before it can Counter, or it switches out to something else that can resist Dragon. If that happens then of course you can switch, or do whatever. Gengar without any Items can 2HKO Wobby with S-Ball; Weavile with Life Orb or Expert Belt 2HKOs with Night Slash. There are plenty of popular Mon that could 2HKO a Wobby before it could Counter/Mirror Coat, thus forcing a switch to something else and allowing you to switch to something else as well.

I still think having a Mon that can Trick or Switcheroo a Choice Item on Wobby would be the most effective way of shutting it down, though.

 

Nope.

The latter two have Taunt anyway, although I'll give you that some Pokemon could 2HKO Wobbuffet. Oh yeah and the second Outrage barely KO's after Leftovers, just so you can gauge Wobbuffet's bulk when compared to other attempts at 2HKOing.

Unless you're using Lopunny, you're going to have to think this one through on why it's not really "the most effective way". Besides, Encore is Wobbuffet's one and only best move it really needs to use to support your 1-turn setup.

 

Wobbuffett is pretty broken. Pidge and Hazes posts really made Wobbuffet's point. Regardless we don't ban Pokemon in URPG so its kind of moot. This discussion is really going in circles, I have locked it. D: