Eighth Gym Tourney Discussion

Earlier you mentioned that competent battlers would be able to make the correct moves. However, I suggest there are very few of these people. I would not even consider myself one.

Obviously Pidgeot isn't as useful as Dragonite in most situations. However, I don't think any gym leader uses Pidgeot. But I think I see what you mean about some Pokemon being inherently stronger than others. Also I don't think gyms have lineups full of Pidgeot-like Pokemon.

I think you're making the top choices of a single type seem weaker than they are. Pokemon like Drapion and Toxicroak have their uses against multitype teams, as expressed in previous examples. Just because they aren't the strongest overall does not mean they are really bad and useless. And just because some Pokemon are strong in a metagame where they face all Pokemon of varying types does not necessarily mean they are strong against teams that use one type. I think I can come up with an analogy. Let's say John is the world champion of a 500 M swimming race where in the first 100 M you must swim with stroke A, then then the next 100 M you must swim with stroke B, etc. You could say he's the best overall swimmer in that regard. However that does not necessarily mean he would win a competition involving swimming 500 M using only stroke B the whole way. There could be other swimmers that are specialized in that one stroke type of event, instead of an event where you only focus on all strokes. Or maybe consider real Pokemon battling and their tiers as an example. Shedinja and Beartic could be considered useless in OU and even UU. However, they actually have special functions in the Ubers environment that make them a threat. Here is a successful Ubers team that uses 3 Uber Pokemon and 3 OU Pokemon. By your reasoning, only teams that consist of 6 Ubers could be viable, when that is not the case. I loosely showed that your 6 'top URPG' Pokemon team against the mono Poison team, which consists of 1-2 'top URPG Pokemon' and 4-5 other Pokemon, can have an even fight.

Also, another thing I just thought of. There exist advantages in matchups such as Fire against Grass and Water against Fire. Even if multitype gyms had advantages against a monoteam, why should they be changed in the tournament if other unbalanced matchups can still occur (in round 2 and onwards). The premise of a tournament where people represent types that they can't choose can't be made wholly fair. I feel like the tournament should be treated as some casual tournament instead of a more serious one where everyone can be on more even ground.

 

I don't care for this whole argument at all. But I will always ALWAYS agree with a statement like this. Playing casually makes everything so much more enjoyable.

 

filler

 

>read as "Chill out guys, I'm just better than you."

 

More like

> "tl;dr but found a mildly agreeable sentence whilst skimming."

Spoiler

 

Guys what happened to "the best trainers win with their favourites"? ):

 

btw I don't even believe in what I posted. Just felt like playing devil's advocate.

 

One thing I've noticed a lot of people say is that OI vs regular gym is just like a non-tournament gym battle for that leader. However, being able to pick rules and have your opponent send first (if DPPt or similar) is a really big advantage and can massively help overcome your opponents much larger pool of Pokémon.

I disagree with Nitro's idea to disband OI entirely, because I do like their special rules (even if none of them let me challenge anymore). However, I do think they should be forced to enter this tournament with their other gym if they have one, or if next year one of them doesn't have one maybe let them use a monotype team (possibly with WC) instead of their OI lineup (Mikan excluded, it's already monotype). I don't have a problem with Striaton, since they are still vastly limited I don't really feel they have much of an advantage. Like several other people have said, OI have the best of few of each type instead of the best 12 of each type. They also may get to use combinations of Pokémon that work really well but don't share a type. There are also certain utility moves some types either don't get or one get on one or two Pokémon that are otherwise terrible. For instance, Flying's only Rapid Spinner is Delibird, which takes 50% from Stealth Rock and is slow enough that it'll probably die before it can use it. If you Scarf it into Rapid Spin and it lives then they get a free set up turn while you have to switch out or stay in doing minimal damage. Considering that the only Flying types that take less than 25% from Stealth Rock are Gligar, Gliscor, and Skarmory, being able to clear them would be really nice. While I would have to use Delibird, OI could use Starmie which is amazing for many other things too and still have great other Pokémon. Another MAJOR advantage to multitype teams is the lack of a common weakness between most of their Pokémon. Even though Flying is an amazing type, I still have 11 weak to Ice and 11 weak to Rock, with several double weak to each.