Contest Thoughts

Implying age is the only thing taken into consideration when Staff are selected. Or rather, implying that it should be.

Enough out of context chatter. This is a serious thread for the discussion of how Contests can be improved and made more popular, especially with regard to ATF's earlier proposals. Further out of context posts will be deleted. If you have a serious issue with the way Staff are decided, take it to another thead.

 

Implying you wont lock that thread too.


I like all your ideas ATF. But when do you think this will happen?

 

Well, since Pidge seems to be serious about the starter idea and it has some interest from other members then I want people to talk some more about it here. If ideas eventually trickle to a stop then I will consider the talk essential over. The Division prizes and ribbons thing will be changed immediate. As for the champion idea, I listed three possible options so once people decided which they like best I'll let the staff get their voices in on it before deciding. The token system I will be planning to put into action in the next month or two, it depends on a couple of factors out of my control.

Okay, what do you guys think of the starter idea posted by Pidge?

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Staff:

@Monbrey | @The Jr. Trainer | @WinterVines | @Dog of Hellsing | @Scourge of Nemo | @Phantom Kat | @Fossil Fusion | @Bumblebee | @We Taste Pies... | @Ataro | @HKim

Other interested:

@Ash K. | @Buoy | @Feng | @JokesterJesse | @LS the Door Mat | @SLC04 | @PichuBoy | @gmandiddy | @Siless | @Synthesis

Bleh included a lot of mentions because Pidge's idea is a serious step.​

 

It doesn't sound bad, but it sounds a little... excessive? We can't just give away free pokemon, right?

 

For a starter-like idea, if we want to go that route, I would consider having a set of contest stats one can choose from to claim once to set on any Pokémon available to the user. If a full-on extra Pokémon is considered for a contest incentive, I would limit it to whatever is in the Berry Store, maybe even only the first few tiers of Pokémon, because having the Pokémon be a choice like a standard starter seems a bit excessive. I would say even keep it from being traded, similar to a normal starter.

 

The stats suggestion is a good, Contest-centric one, but I think an actual Pokemon would be the most help to newbies, and by limiting it to Contests until they have all Division Ribbons they have a real incentive to do Contests, which helps out the board.

Still, WTP is right and we don't want to give out free Pokemon. I think if this gets implemented, it should not be redactive (i.e. current members can't claim one), and maybe the Pokemon's rank should be capped at like Medium or Hard. Also, what Siless said - definitely untradable.

 

Making pokemon untradable is icky.

 

Well, personally I'm not a huge fan of the idea unless there is some way that a) the power can be limited of the starter and/or b) there must a way that we can keep people who pick one up interested in contests. Limiting the tier/story rank is a must, otherwise we'll just have a bunch of Gengars and Excadrills running around. We should make these contest-only until a certain requirement is met - a certain number of division ribbons or contests. What worries me slightly is that this will have a poor long-term effect, as members who heavily dislike contests can just suck it up, get the Pokémon and never do them again.

But yeah, I can swing either way with this decision.

 

Can't we just give people who sign up originally extra Contest stats instead of a second Pokemon? Like Starter Request for the URPG.

 

tbh I don't know when the last time I've seen contest stats used in a contest, so while the idea of just giving stats to something sounds good, I'm not sure how much it will actually help. As for an entirely new Pokémon, it should definitely be untradeable, like regular starters, it should definitely be at least as limited as normal starter if not more so, it should definitely have something like the "Contest only until all divisions beaten" limitation on it, and maybe come with player's choice of 255/255/255/255/0 stats? Seems like it could work though if done right.

 

Erm, wasn't that pretty much what I just said? That we need more officials interested in Contests? Herp.

I don't think a Contest starter is necessary - it's not like it'll promote activity there if people aren't going there in the first place. Like, it's not going to help much putting a thread to increase traffic in a forum inside the forum you're trying to increase traffic to. S'pretty redundant. Action needs to be taken outside the forum, like the CC auto-given suggestion.

 

I pretty much agree with what most people are saying at this point -- Contest Starters would be a great help to new people, and a good way for them to get a Story 'mon. Especially if some restrictions are put on them, then I'd say that it'd be great to introduce them in. Plus, if we get a Contest-exclusive Starter, people are definitely going to value them more and use them more, and if they can only use their beloved Pokémon in a contest, then that's going to boost activity in contests, right? I think it's a genuinely good idea, provided that restrictions mentioned are placed.

 

I think it's a terrible idea. Just give a person's starter additional stats, but an extra starter is so excessive, imo.

 

Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm on board for the starter thing. I'm all for free Pokemon, but like the others said, as a rule we don't generally give them away. I do like the limitation to maybe a Berry Store mon, or perhaps having that mon only usable in a contest until all Division Ribbons are obtained.

 

The point is that people will want to unlock their Pokémon for regular use, and start to do more contests. Maybe then they'll enjoy them and stay doing them.

Giving stats is a bad idea - every time I've judged and suggested to use stats the ideas been shot down, which is unfair for those who actually paid the ~$30000 to max them out.

 

No guys. No.

If you need to put restrictions on it it is not a good idea. Give the people who sign up for contests a bundle of berries or pokeblocks or just let them choose a stat to max (or something like that).

 

I like the idea of a Starter Contest Mon, but making it something low tier and limiting it on top of that won't really interest many people. Who would wanna do Contests more because they can get a free Caterpie?

Why let let it be better Pokemon, but limit them to Contest use until x requirement is achieved? Like getting a Master Ribbon, or beating a Division Leader? Making it a good Mon might encourage people to do Contests more so it would be eligible for use outside of Contests faster.

Just a thought. And it's not like they're even getting it for free, either, if they have to accomplish a certain task to use it outside of Contests first.

 

Why are we even entertaining the idea of giving them a free mon just for going into the contest section? ._.

 

cos everyone loves free bidoofs

 

I have at least one way to make activity in contests rise: Can we not have stats at all? Also I heard people talking earlier about doing a nervous clause so that people aren't like ATTRACT SPAM BOOM. Those, at least for me, are the main two turn offs. Also if there were judges consistently doing AIM contests I'd be in them. So, um.

>No stats
>Nervous clause
>More activity

As far as the starter goes, I don't think it's a good idea, because as everyone's already mentioned, people will just do whatever it takes to get it then never do contests again. It's not a matter of giving people a reason to do contests, its fixing stuff that makes us less likely to do them. I think, at least from watching people do battles, that simplicity is the key here.