Contest Thoughts

Lets say there are two or three people who are really good at contests and are of roughly equal skill. How do you make it any more difficult for one of them to dethrone the other in a manner that sets it apart from a normal battle?

 

Okay, that's fair. Maybe make it so the Champion can control the battle rules, similar to how a Gym Leader can (idr if the real Champion can do this or not). That way, when you've become the Contest Champ, you get a reward for being on the defense.

 

I'd be content with Contest Champ being in control of the rules I suppose. Not like I use the contest section anyway...

 

Honestly, only thing that is stopping me from doing BW Contests is the lack of judges. I actually like them and the rewards for them are great. I know there's a few like Buoy and SLC that are almost there, but they've been almost there for a while, and the fact that they've been waiting isn't even their fault for the most part.

 

BLAME ASH K :>

Okay, I haven't made a post with my own opinions, so here goes nothing.

1) The pay for the winners of division battlers sound fair, and it makes them a little more appealing to everyone. Like you said, putting the price between super and hyper sounds just about right. I haven't really got a lot more to say on the point.

2) I don't think adding more divisions just yet is such a good idea, otherwise when the newer members join and see the empty divisions they will be given a negative impression of the entire contests section. There wasn't a huge rush of members to sign-up for the position of division leader (iirc, there were only six) and then this will bring in the problem that when people are striving to become the contest champion, they will be unable to get all of the ribbons in a particular division. Keep it at 5 for the moment, otherwise add divisions to the conference which is already there. If we expand the conference, there's nothing stopping us to be able to transfer a particular division to another conference.

However, I feel like a champion position is necessary, otherwise there is little point of the divisions if there is nothing to aim for. We could just make it simple, so that when one person defeats all five divisions they automatically become champion. If this is deemed to easy for said person, we could always put an experience co-ordinator as a temporary champion - ATF, for example. Also I dislike the idea of a contest E4 while we only have 5 divisions. Think about it - there are only four members of the E4 for regular battles and there are 40 gyms (not including the Orange Islands). Maybe we could introduce a tier system somewhat similar to the E4 when there is more division activity - the 'Normal Rank' tier would have 4 or 5 'easier' leaders, and once those are defeated you can challenge the 'Super Rank' tier which has 3 or 4, and so on. The only problem I see with this is that the higher tier you're in, the less likely you are to actually get challenges.

3) I like it, and the prizes seem both balanced and achievable. The earning of them sounds good too. I also think it should be a one-time thing, idk why.

 

You can't really get an accurate idea of how many people are interested, because applications only went on for two days. I was thinking of applying for one, and thought I'd have about a week to decide and prepare an application, but ATF literally did it first come first served, bar you and Buoy. Considering most people hated me at the time for always 'kicking up a fuss', I just didn't say anything. The interest in the Winter festival shows that at least 16 people are interested in BW Contests. I think we could add a few more Divisions, then if they don't fill, just remove them. No harm done.

What I feel needs to happen in general is for more of the staff to make an effort. WTP openly admitted he doesn't do Contests, but I'm wondering whether he's ever tried a BW Contest, and whether many others of the staff have for that matter. For a lot of people, the attitude has always been "lol contests are lame", and any newbies take on that attitude. If the staff (and just other members, for that matter) at least tried to take an interest in it, that could go a long way. A lot of the current refs could easily adapt to judging BW Contests (even if they're like gman and only judge BW, not RSE/DPP), because there's not a huge deal more you need to consider: attribute compatibility, hearts and PP.

 

Bro, why you always gotta attack the staff? I have tried contests. I didn't like them. That is the end of my relationship with contests. You don't seem particularly active in the National Park, do you hate the Park? The answer to that question is no(at least I hope so ._.). You also seem to only be acknowledging the staff that isn't a proponent of the Contest section. Chainy and Winter have both taken an interest in B/W Contests. They both petitioned FD to allow B/W Contests to count in the Game Board competition. When the Division League was approved by the staff, it was met with nothing but a bit of skepticism on its ability to succeed. Nobody didn't want it, they were merely unsure of the contest sections ability to maintain its activity. Don't say the staff is disdainful of contests. I suggest you don't bring this up again.

Anyway, I re-read this thread and I realized there are a few things I haven't addressed already so...

The Ability of Division Leaders to Defend their divisions - I was in no way saying they were unable to do so. What you people appear to be ignoring is the fact that once their division is defeated, their division is no longer an obstacle in the challenger's path to Champion, nor will it ever be again. So once a few people beat all 5 divisions, the Champ spot will be a constant struggle between however many people make it that far.

The Constant Comparison of LD to Divisions - LD has no place in this discussion. It is not related to the Battling Sections gym league, which is more or less, what the Division league is based off of.


Anyway, my biggest issue with this whole thing is, again, activity. The Divisions have barely been out for a month and I don't thing we can properly gauge whether or not now is the time for this.

 

Where was I attacking? :/

You say you tried contests - have you tried a BW Contest specifically? There's a huge difference between RSE/DPP and BW.

Now, the thing you did in that entire paragraph that I will only once ask politely that you don't do again: please don't twist my words. I'm fully aware that Chainy and Winter are avid Coordinators. I specifically said "more of the staff". As in, not just the ones that do. I also never said that the staff hated contests, nor did I say that they were the only people who do so. I'm saying that if people (staff and members alike) actually put in the effort to try contests (as you have), and THEN make their judgement, instead of just thinking 'lol contests' like some people seem to, they might actually find they like them. Speaking from experience here.

 

Yay! Discussion! Now if only more people would join in...

Anyway, I'm going to summarize the stuff so far:

1) Making the changes to the Division League in terms of payout and earning ribbons is fine and has the go ahead.

2) People like the idea of a Contest Champion, but disagree as to whether it's too easy to earn and acquire. The main factor behind this is activity and concern that the league hasn't had enough time to develop. So I see two paths here: |1| Wait to add a Contest Champion until we add more divisions/elite four? and this will be based off activity. |2| Just add the Champion as is with nothing else required for the time being. |3| Just don't add a Champion period because it will never equal the battle section.

3) People seem to be in agreement on this as a special event for a month or two.​

 

This is satisfactory to me.

Also, MK. Its pretty hard to believe that you weren't taking a baseless jab at the staff if you say its more than just the staff that are demeaning the contest section, but expressly mention the staff. When you said, "more of the staff", it seems to be excluding all staff members but ATF, the only staff member you mentioned beforehand. In addition, I don't really see how getting the rest of the staff involved will make any more difference than it would to get normal members involved. Its just more people in the system. We still have a hand in how it is run. Nobody is putting it down. Don't worry too much about how we do things UNTIL we mess up, not before. If there was an inter-staff issue, ATF would be right behind you on this one.

 

Well if contest activity is low I think there should be a 'contest starter'. You get a second 'starter' Pokemon for signing up for contests somehow, and it comes with decent contest stats you can upgrade like normal. You can use it just like any other Pokemon of course still.

 

Thanks for the pointless paragraph. We all know you aren't too fond of the contest section. The idea behind this thread is to talk about the points I've put forward, anything else doesn't belong here.

Please keep it relevant. ​

 

I... I... I was just trying to show my change of heart and help since WTP mentioned about it not being active enough. And I love contests. Must I remind you I'm the Grand Festival Cup '10 Runner-Up, the Grand Festival Cup '11 Winner, and you always corresponded with me regarding contests. okay man...i'm just going to sulk in the corner if you're going to be like that...

 

That was really uncalled for. This thread is called "Contest Thoughts", not ATFs thoughts about contests and anything else isnt relevant thread

 

I consider it irrelevant because there is no way another starter will be given out for one section. I don't support and I doubt anyone else will. I took it as being sarcastic, if it's not, I apologize.

As for the part about contests, Pidge, you've said that the contest section shouldn't be a part of the URPG. I think I have the quote saved somewhere.​

 

I wasn't being sarcastic and am I not allowed to change my mind on things...? If you didn't like the idea that's all you had to say.

 

Well, I didn't know you had changed your mind, it wasn't that long ago, I have to go on information I know. As for being rude, I didn't think I was, just trying to keep things on track. If it's really a suggestion then people can go ahead and talk about it. Again, I thought you were being sarcastic and that kind of stuff doesn't solve anything.​

 

I'm saying staff, because the newbies look up to you more than anyone else. They're more likely to follow the senior member's guidance than normal members. THAT's why I mentioned the staff. It wasn't "Staff suck, they need to do more contests because I said so", it was because you have seniority, and so you get looked up to.

 

Not valid, barely any Staff go into the Park, aside from the Park-centric ones. If you want Contests to be more of a driving force in the URPG, then ask for more Contest-centric Officials.

Actually, personally, I would consider a second Pokemon being given out. Obviously you'd need some kind of way to keep people from just taking it and running (say, you can't use the Pokemon outside of Contests until you have all the Division Ribbons) but one of the biggest problems for newbies is getting a decent team up and running. Assuming Pidge isn't being a troll, I'd very seriously consider backing him up.

 

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