Basic Battles Being Reffed

Personally, I don't mind reffing basic battles for people who have a little common sense. But when people start stalling and crap, I no longer have any desire to ref for them. I really don't care if you want to win, and the only way to do that is to Recover/CM for ten turns so you're strong enough to kill the other guy. Therefore, if you want me to ref basic battles, make sure your opponent can 2HKO you. Or failing that, if you have to stall to win, spare me my sanity and TAKE THE LOSS. If I have to spend fifteen minutes reffing one stupid battle between a Togepi and a Cleffa, don't expect me to do it ten times. Or even twice. Do you know how tedious that gets?

 

We are all aware that basic battles can get stalled very frequently by people who want an extra .5K, but can we please try and come to a solution?

 

Solution: People Should Stop Being Idiots.

 

I think most of us have already settled how the problem isn't in the pay, but simply the mentality that referees have about basic battles.

Like I said, only solution is for people to come fourth and becomes referees themselves. New referees tend to ref more basics, or that's what I've noticed.

 

Like ataro said, a major problem is the mentality of refs towards basic battles. We need to fix this problem otherwise the new refs will eventually have this mentality aswell, so we will need new refs and the cycle begins again etc...

And the solution is...

 

A battler has every right to do use whatever move(s) they want. A ref can't get mad at a battler for playing a certain way. However, a ref can choose not to ref for the same person again, but they should complete reffing whatever they are already in.

 

Yes that is true battlers can do whatever they want but by stalling during basic battles they are affecting everyone else because potentially that means another ref unwilling to ref basics for everyone

 

Maybe refs could gain the ability to call a battle over and declare the winner by default if one of the trainers starts to stall. I realize the many possibilities of abusing this ability but there could be checks put in place to make sure there is good reason to declaring a winner.

 

I think it has too much potential for abuse, as nice as it sounds. I would simply say that if a basic battle runs more than 5 rounds, not reffing for the person responsible again, unless you knew in advance it would likely take a while. (I refer to my awesome Metronome battle with a pair of Togepis I had a while ago - the ref knew what it would be like ahead of time, and still was willing to ref. (Thx, btw.)

I say if a ref wants to put a stipulation on basic battles, that they be over w/in 3 turns, that's fine; the people don't have to pick that ref if they want a more involved one. I think if they specified such things up front, everyone would be able to find the basic battles they needed, whatever sort those might be.

I don't know if incentivizing basic battles for the refs is terribly necessary; perhaps a small prize, say a basic-rank mon for the most reffed in a month; that way, it's harder to abuse the incentive program, because the rewards are fairly delayed, and infrequent.

 

No, no refs should be allowed to call off a match whenever they want just because the people are stalling. Reffing is a voluntary thing but once you've said yes to that person, it is essentially your responsibility to ref finish the match, unless for say you've got to go or something along those lines.

It's just stupid to even allow a ref to call off reffing once stalling happens. Simple way out is to not ref for that person again if you really don't want to/cannot put up with his/her battling techniques. It's not like a referee is being forced to ref a super basics stall over 7 times just because he reffed the first.

And where do you find a new referee after that? Either keep looking or step ahead and become one yourself. Afterall, it's not like this is the first time people are complaining about the lack of referees or whatever similar.

 

It seems that we can all agree we need more refs. And I'm aware of tons of people who want to become refs, so I think it is fair to say that issue is sorted. But the mentality of older refs is another issue.

So, here is the final time: Shall we give refs an incentive to get them to ref basics/battles in general, and if not, what do you suggest in turn?

 

I dont mind refing involved basics for new players, since I understand that they arent just looking for a quick evo, they genuinely want to be involved in the game.

Most older players understand and simply want 2HKO, so this is not a problem.

However one repeated comment in this thread has made me rage a bit, suggesting referee's "SHOULD" ref basics.

As Ataro said above "Reffing is a voluntary thing." We SHOULD ref whatever we want to. There is no obligation, and it isnt our job or duty. Our payment is, for all intensive purposes, IMAGINARY MONEY. Yes, I get paid a lot of it. To buy more imaginary stuff with. I suggest you all go in to work the next day and tell your boss he can pay you with imaginary money for a week, and see how much you actually want to do what he asks you.

 

Most refs don't ref basic battles simply because they're boring. I know that they need to be done, but as Monbrey and Ataro said, reffing is voluntary, so refs can ref whatever they want.

 

How is becoming a ref going to fix the problem for yourself. You can't ref your own basic battles. A better suggestion is to make someone else become a ref so they can ref for you.