Phaze Clause

Captain Dude · Jul 7, 2012

Roulette said: ↑

ChainReaction01 said: ↑

Not 100% true, it takes no skill or smarts whatsoever to get a sweep going using a Blaziken.

This doesn't really bother me, if it's implemented and people don't want to battle using it then they just don't turn it on.
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I would agree with this if it wasn't for Gym Leaders being able to use it. Types with multiple passers would just wreak havoc with this clause on, which would make it more broken than it was before the clause was implemented.

Captain Dude said: ↑

Roulette said: ↑

I'm not sure how it's broken. They're guaranteed to go last, the damaging moves are nerfed by the small amount of mons that learn them, and the others can be taunted. Broken = not having a counter, and there are plenty of things that counter this problem. In no way does this warrant something as major as a clause being added. If you don't do enough to prevent being phazed out, then YOU aren't doing your job as a battler and didn't "outsmart" your opponent enough.
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Let me get this straight.

Clause worthy = broken
broken = no counter

So you're telling me that accuracy and evasion are harder to counter than phazing? Please do explain.
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Jolteon is one of the fastest mons in the game. It learns Sand Attack naturally. If you send it in against something slower, you can use Sand Attack first turn to get the acc down to 75% (on a 100% acc move, mind you). That kind of acc would be considered bad on most moves, and it's a 1/4 chance of missing. If you miss the first turn or even don't OHKO the Jolteon, that's even more opportunities to get your acc down. Then if you do manage to KO the Jolteon, the next mon that replaces it has an advantage because you still have Acc-2 or 3. You can switch out, but that in turn gives your opponent a chance to boost their stats.
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You're saying its deadly with fast pokemon. The amount of fast pokemon that learn Sand-Attack is less than the amount of pokemon that learn Dragon Tail and Circle Throw. (You brought up a point of these moves being relatively rare)

You can always Taunt, Sub, use one of the never miss moves. There's plenty of Pokemon with abilities related to accuracy.

I'm done arguing though, since no one else wants the clause.

Monbrey · Jul 9, 2012

I've always been favour of some way of protecting people from having basics dragged out in D/P rulesets, but I still wouldn't support a clause that totally bans the move, sorry.

The fact that they are a reduced priority makes them counterable. Roar and Whirlwind can be taunted. Dragon Tail and Vital Throw can be subbed against.

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