FFA Fridays --> FFA Weekends

Curious how people would feel about moving FFA Friday to Saturdays, Sundays or, if the senior refs are cool with it, the entire weekend? Seems to me that it'd be more convenient for everyone's availability, and it'd at least work better for me as a ref. Ash tells me there was a trial run for FFA Weekends a while back, but that it was around the point where FFA activity was low.

I guess tell me if weekends are not preferable to Fridays, that seems like a good starting point. (edit: no, this is dumb, just post how you feel, duh)

Also while I'm here, can we start paying people a tiny stipend for doing wages? It's not some huge moral outrage or anything but I just see that if nobody wants to do them and they're being done late and inconsistently, it makes sense to introduce some stimulus. Whatever the amount for voting in SWC is seems fair, like 3k or something. Started thinking about this as a way for senior refs to get someone else to do wages, but that's weird framing and I don't really care who gets paid as long as the work gets done (unless it's me because asking for a position to be paid so that I can take the position is fucking dumb).

 

Still in favor of FFA Saturdays over FFA Friday if we keep it to a single day. Not going to say anything about payments for ref wages because likewise, it's been me having to do it and asking for yourself to get paid is dumb. I would love for someone else to take over wages, but there aren't a lot of people who are willing to and would be allowed (by Monbrey) to do so.

 

I'm all for FFA Weekends vs FFA Fridays, tbh. I also won't be adverse to moving it to Saturday or Sunday, though I think Saturday would be the better day of those two. That said, I feel like FFA activity is low even now. FFAs are still few and far between; the most recent one was earlier this week by Vultan and I can't remember the last one before that. I'm not sure if increasing it to a whole weekend would increase FFA activity, but I really just wanted to note that they still seem infrequent compared to earlier in my URPG days.

Indifferent on the stipend. It's not gonna get me to do wages anyways because I did ref wages once and said I'd never do them again, and paying me won't make me do it. xD That's just me though. Only concern I have with it is whether or not the stipend will count towards the legend tracker. My personal opinion is no, but I'm also not a senior ref, so there's that too.

 

No /threadlocked

But seriously I don't care which day gives bonus money, I wouldn't be opposed to it being both days.

Problem with payments for doing ref wages is that it breaks the old system where to be honest, it really should be me doing them. I'll take the blame for that. It's a singular task, not something that multiple people can do to earn a payment. So either we have a rush to post them between staff (which is stupid and ineffective) or one person getting selected to do it over everyone else.

 

I have no issue with making it the entire weekend as long as any given ref can only receive the bonus once per weekend (we've had issues with them being spammed in the past).

As for payment for doing wages that's something I was thinking about for a while and I agree. I will say, though, that it is a bit of slippery slope. There are many things that Staff does that take lots of time and effort that we don't (and probably rightly shouldn't) get paid for. Like Monbrey said it is technically his job but usually someone is happy to help out especially since Monbrey does a lot already for the section. I'm not at all, however, opposed to the idea of 3k to whomever does them.

I also think we should start paying people for running tourneys and events but that's both irrelevant to the thread and also starts us down on this slippery slope. ._.

 

FWIW, I'm mostly in favor of getting people a lil more money in general. (Two-day FFA weekend? Why not!) And 3K is nothing. I guess it's a slippery slope, maybe an awkward thing to decide who gets do what, but I mean... in the end it's a 3K-ish amount. I really can't imagine anyone giving a shit if Monbrey decides to pay himself 1.5 TM Teleports to do wages on time, or if he picks a ref out of a hat, or if he picks the first person to volunteer. It doesn't seem like an amount worth any handwringing, and I don't think we're so unreasonable that if we get to some gray area like HEY URPG AWARDS ORGANIZERS SHOULD BE PAID 3K FOR COUNTING VOTES that we're going to start making dumb decisions like paying URPG Awards organizers. Paying tournament organizers definitely sounds reasonable to me.

But I hear you guys and it doesn't really affect me past collecting my 50K for Skarmory sooner, so. Yeah. I just came here to ref more FFAs.

 

I fully agree, I'm just a bit hesitant to essentially start paying myself for things lol. I guess slippery slope was kind of a bad phrase to use here; my point being it becomes hard to differentiate what people should be paid for and what is just general maintenance that Staff or other volunteers should be doing anyway.

Moving forward, though, I don't see that as a good enough reason not to give a simple 3k to someone for doing wages (and btw I also think this should apply to Ranger, Curator, Judge, and Grader wages as well for consistency and because it makes sense).

As for Tournaments and events: I believe 3-10k for hosting one (depending on what it is) is appropriate. This obviously depends on what it is which is why it's such a large range. If someone is just reposting a thread for like Hidden Power Reroll or Garage Sale, I think 3k is fine. Gift Station, Easter New Life, Write-a-Roll, and URPG Awards have slightly more effort involved keeping track of Gifts/Votes for a few weeks and rolling Eggs/Plots, so 5k is probably more appropriate for those. Live Auctions would probably also fall under the 5k marker. Hosting Tournaments and Competitions should be closer to the 7-10k range depending on what kind they are. Writing Competitions and regular tournaments would probably fall under 7k since they go on for a few weeks and require a lot of planning and tallying as well as weekly wages etc. Ladder competitions (which happen quite rarely) are most like worth closer to 10k because they come with all the regular tournament tasks with the addition of thinking of special rules and tallying points and going through logs.

If anyone starts arguing/fighting over who gets to do what just for money I'm sure it won't be difficult for Mods, Section Heads, Monbrey or Harry to delegate things evenly or for people to take turns.

One more thing though: As I was typing this I felt a little weird lol. It just seems a bit odd (and difficult) to quantify effort. All things considered, these numbers feel a bit arbitrary even though I think they're reasonable. Maybe that's just me, though.

 

I don't think of it as quantifying effort. I think of it as teasing out a little bit more. (This, this is good sex joke content.) The number itself doesn't really matter, as long as it's enough to get somebody to do the thing without everyone else competing over who gets to do it. Honestly even 5k feels like the upper limit for that, but who knows. It's not even really an issue with any other section, although nobody should mind paying Smiles a little bit for setting up SWC/WWC every year or etc.

Also, FFAs on weekends. Let's do it.

 

I would argue that copying an HP Reroll thread is almost no effort, while counting and verifying wages actually is.

Will confirm no staff (Harry) oppose to FFA Weekend then make it official

 

thank you for thinking of me <333

Could it be possible to have a system where either Mon or Harry could pay the Section Heads every four months? Have a "Quarterly Review" type of thing where they could roast us lmao assess how well we're doing on wages / event-hosting and pay the heads on a $10k-$20k scale or something. And people who aren't Heads but still host stuff could get paid too as they see fit. And ofc Mon and Harry could get paid too for what they do!

also to the op hailzzz yassss, FFA's all the time!